Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Can’t remember which thread it was in, but the working title was “Little Honey”, and I can’t remember the exact line verbatim in the song, but it was something like: They call you little honey/And they sleep in your bed, I think.
I agree with you, Stu–she went from being almost an observer of what was going on to being part of it. The whole time I hear Pineola, I always sort of imagine her just a little apart from everything, which it seems like she truly was, given accounts of the events I’ve read different places, and with the verse that she ultimately left out, she tells just a fraction too much about herself, maybe. We have no idea her relationship to the dead man in the song if we don’t know the backstory, and if she’d have left the song as it was originally on that radio show, it would’ve just been too quick (and short) a jump. I do like the verse in and of itself, but, and speaking solely for myself, I think she was right to leave it out.
I heard an early, early version of ‘Pineola’ from about 1985 or thereabouts, and there’s a verse she left out of the version we all know, which really blew my mind when I heard it. By now, the general consensus is that she was, in fact, dating Frank Stafford at the time he took his life, and he was messing around on his wife with several women, including Lucinda, while telling all of them that he wanted to be with them, so none of them actually thought they were doing anything wrong, since he was telling the women on the side that he was divorcing his wife, while telling his wife that he only loved her:
With a wife and a lover and another on the side
His world fell apart around him
On the last day before he died
They all three threatened to leave him
Some say he lied himself to death
How was I to know it?
He was a fool to pull that trigger
But he sure was a damn good poet.You know, maybe if the article had been written later than it was, it would’ve been different to her–but I agree with you, Ray, about the fact that she was rapidly being pulled out of near-obscurity with the success of Car Wheels, and as fans, we have no idea what the heck was going on in her mind about all of that. If the article had been written after Essence came out, or before WWT, maybe she would’ve had a different reaction. Who knows? She certainly seems to be more willing to be open about more areas of her life–I’m not sure she would’ve shared with her fans that she went through an abusive relationship if it had happened back during that time, which it unfortunately did later on. Just from my perspective as a fan, having read copious amounts of interviews, she just seems more comfortable in her own skin now. As far as whether he talked to family and friends and then used that in the article when he said it was off-the-record, that was pretty low. I can recall her saying that her mother didn’t want her to put the song “Bus to Baton Rouge” on Essence, because she (her mother) wasn’t ready to deal with it, and unless I read between the lines pretty heavily, I can’t see too much more that a woman going back to a house years later and remembering the way it was when she was a child, since she never directly referenced her mother in that song. I’ve always wondered about the line “Sometimes the doors, they’d be locked/’Cause there were precious things that I couldn’t touch”…was she meaning that her mother was locked in one of the rooms because she was in the midst of her illness?
Sorry–that post veered off into rambling.
I think maybe she objected to his portrayal of her mother, who was alive at the time, and it seems to me that Lucinda was pretty fiercely protective of her mother and her mother’s privacy. Of course, now that her mom is gone, she’s talked some about the mental illness that plagued her throughout her life. IIRC, that was one of the things I heard at the time of the article’s publication. He also got a few facts wrong–he said that she and Richard Price had broken up, which they hadn’t. They did later, but when the article came out, they were still together. I’m sure there are other things that we haven’t heard, but those are what I can remember.
Plenty of musicians pick up side projects. Lucinda has been off the road since November, and won’t be going back out until July or whatever. Mister Pettibone’s gotta eat between November and July, right?
Can you give us the genre the cover is from, or is that off limits? Thanks for sharing what you have with us:)
Thanks for putting the idea out there, Lefty, and sticking to it, and thanks to the folks who made it happen. SonO seemed like a one-of-a-kind guy. The forum isn’t quite the same without him. I have a feeling that if Lucinda had ever met him, she’d have liked him. :)_
That’s what’s so great about Lucinda’s music. To you, it can be a conversation with a person who has gone to the other side, but to her, it is about her brother. Apparently, she and her remaining family haven’t had contact with him since their mother passed. While it seems unusual, there are families with estrangement that deep. I’ve read somewhere that her brother indeed has children; its possible that Lucinda isn’t close to her nieces and nephews, and can’t find out from them if they’ve heard from their father. Its possible that he hasn’t contacted his children. I can relate to it in that after my father died, I had no contact with my three remaining uncles. We were never incredibly, deeply close, but I only found out later that one of them, the youngest, had passed away of cancer. I didn’t even know he’d been diagnosed with it, so there are families where one person doesn’t know what’s going on with one (or more) of the others.
