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@Ray wrote:
oh i don’t think it’s bait — i think ripley is always genuine and sincere (definitely holding Lucinda to a very high standard)… just a different perspective! or maybe just misunderstood.
having come close to this topic with Ripley before — i don’t mind hearing why Ripley finds this song (which i enjoy) embarrassing….
(keeps the forum interesting!)
Anyway: definitely looking forward to the new release, whatever makes the final cut!! 🙂
I just look the the floor and shake my head when I hear that song. Even in a car alone I feel embarrassed to even listen to it because it is quite frankly beneath her. Is it fun? well maybe for her it is but it’s still ridiculously juvenile and trite. I just CAN NOT get behind that song.
I don’t want to offend anyone here but it sounds like a song 45 year olds would think was hip and fun.
I hate to be the negative nancy but please ditch Honey Bee. It’s so embarrassing to listen to.
I hope this album is better than the less than stellar West. Seems kind of rushed though….
The Grammy’s have lost their damn mind if they nominated that for anything to do with “vocals”. Love Lucinda but the vocals to that song are wretched.
Here is my ranking….
1. Lucinda Williams (Self Titled). This is her best for me and the easiest to listen to from start to finish. It has an incredible flow and is before she got a little too concerned with sounding current. She has a more natural sound on this one.
standout track: Like A Rose2. Car Wheels on a Gravel Road. Another exceptional record. There are a few duds on it for me though (Concrete and Barbed Wire, Joy) but most of the songs are truly amazing.
standout track: Jackson3. World Without Tears. I actually hated this one at first but now hold it in very high regard. It’s a 3/4 masterpiece. There are some severe missteps on this record (American Dream, Righteously) but the mood and emotion of this record is fantastic. I think you’ll like this one the most as it is the most similar to Essence.
standout track: Fruits of my Labor4. Sweet Old World
Although some of her best songs appear on this album it ultimately feels like filler between the ST record and Car Wheels. A lot of these songs feel like they were written and could have been included on ST.
standout track: Something About What Happens When We Talk5. West
After almost a year I’ve only fell for about 4 songs off this record. Most of it is just “eh”. I wouldn’t recommend you make this your next step.
standout track: Everything Has Changed@ncrebelman wrote:
the troops are over there in harms way by no choice of their own
Ummm they signed up. that is a choice they made.
@mvpatrick wrote:
Too bad MegaUpload doesn’t work. What a piece of junk. But thanks for the effort. It is greatly appreciated.
works for me. dick.
Atlanta and Chicago.
I live in Florida and would for sure go to Atlanta for this. But if she’s going to do the south she should do the midwest too. Chicago.
Well, have you ever noticed that as artist get older there become less and less people involved in their music making to point out the flaws. I think Lucinda has reached that period. There isn’t someone around pointing out that Honey Bee is a tad bit ridiculous and embarrassing to listen to. I would immediately turn that song off in the car if someone else was there because I would never want them to judge the rest of her music by it.
With songs like Honey Bee, What If, Come On, Wrap My blah blah, I begin to think she has lost a sense of self criticism because those are all childishly written and she should be embarrassed. West had very few redeeming qualities for my liking. I can deal with a few duds but that album is almost all duds and forgetables. West, Everything Has Changed, Where is My Love and Are You Alright are the only ones I like. I used to like Mama You Sweet and Fancy Funeral but those two become tiresome.
I dunno. I just worry with the direction she’s going in that her next album will be one without a single song I like and that’s kind of sad for me.
Just sayin is all. 😆
@Ray wrote:
I’d say a little fluff, now and then, ADDS rather than detracts. Shows a range. We all need fluff and fun, whatever our age, and wherever we are in life. Lucinda’s sharing that feeling. Why do so many people expect artists to remain in the same pool forever?
I kind of like Ripley throwing cold water in here every so often (it keeps us thinking, and the comments are not baseless), but I’d disagree with Ripley’s characterizations of these songs as “awful” or “abysmal.” I like them. (Maybe my musical taste is broader and more inclusive than Ripley’s. Or possibly it’s just not as sophisticated. Could be that.) But I still love Lucinda’s other stuff too, and I know I can feel as emotionally connected to the other songs as anyone. (They’re the songs that got me hooked.)
I’d like to think Ripley is completely wrong about Lu’s motive with these songs, too. I don’t think Lucinda is “trying to be hip.” Or, as Scone suggests, trying to “reach out to the kids a bit.” I don’t believe for a minute that there is a conscious effort to broaden her demographics. I mean, are you really saying that this kind of songwriting is … marketing?!! Come on!!! 🙄
The creative process is what it is. She does what she does, writes what she writes (beautifully, honestly, soulfully, almost always). And I’m going to go on believing that it IS a pure thing.
The happy, fun “fluff” is a pure expression of joy and happiness, just as every other Lucinda song is a pure, unfiltered expression of other human emotions and feelings.
And: Lucinda performing on a “bad” day (if ACL was one) I’m sure is way better than almost anyone else on a good day. Wish I had been fortunate enough to see the ACL show.
Glad this post didn’t turn into a red rocks-type troll-fest… (yet). 😉
I have incredibley varied tastes. That is the one thing I do have going for me. haha. I love lots of bands that do far more fluff than Lucinda (The Lemonheads for sure) but I do hold Lucinda to a higher standard because frankly, fluff is beneath her. Another thing, I have never been a fan of the, for lack of a better word, heavier Lucinda songs. Joy is one of my all time least favorites but that seems to be a crowd favorite. I’ve always felt her attempts at this style to sound very awkward and borderline unlistenable.
I do have to say though, if you haven’t noticed Lucinda’s downright obvious attempt at changing her musical marketability than you obviously haven’t been listening or watching. Go watch her ACL Car Wheels era show. That woman is no more. She’s been replaced by this “cutting edge” indie country queen.
@rachel8375 wrote:
You took the words right out of my mouth, Scone. Why shouldn’t she reach out to a younger demographic? Its not like she’s trying to be something she’s not–she’s still writing great, thought-provoking music, and as you’ve said, gets out there on stage every night and sings, which is more than I can say for B****** and the rest of her bunch of studio-creation labelmates.
Because it’s embarrassing to watch a woman with grace and talent try to be hip with abysmal songs like Honey Bee and Come On?
I dunno. Ever since I read that Lucinda chose Hal Wilner to create a “hip” sound on West I’ve been very disappointed in some of her choices and her set list at ACL is no surprise. She chose songs to try and fit in with the other acts and I just think thats sad. Why not do your own thing and not try and fit in with a crowd of people half your age in a scene you are not a part of. Whatever, if she really wants to be a part of the SPIN and Alternative Press crowd than fine but it’s not working.
