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1) Shows that would have a chronological setlist like the second set of the first show in Mpls or the show in Madison (1-10)
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Personally, I’d love this. As a huge fan of the S/T album I often wish is it was more represented in her sets and this would ensure it would be.2) Shows that would have split sets -with the first set being ballads etc, a break, and then the second set being rock (1-10)
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I appreciate the sentiment with this idea but I don’t think it’s necessary. As someone who likes the more ballad type tunes I would be happier with a better balance.3) Similar to number 2– in larger cities where we could do it or where the right venue exists–doing two nights, with the first night being the ballads etc and the second night more rock (1-10)
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This just seems a bit excessive and unnecessary. As much as I’d love to attend two shows it just feels a bit weird to do this.4) Closing the year with a return of the album shows -probably only in one city (1-10)
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YES YES YES YES YES YES!5) Don’t change anything -I like the shows as they are. (1-10)
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I didn’t see this tour but I would appreciate more balanced sets.In a different and more general category:
1) To offset the venues that charge Ticketmaster fees -we are considering offering those fees back as a credit at the merch table -does this have appeal (1-10)
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This can’t hurt. A nice treat.
2) Being aware of the past fan club fiasco- does a fan club hold any appeal if it made sense and had value? (1-10)
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I’d be very very weary but if it was done right I’d be receptive. (and would gladly accept a position as fan club president and director of operations!)
3) The possibility of being able to buy tickets before the general public -(possibly as part of a fan club?) (1-10)
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Can’t hurt.4) More live releases -(possibly as part of a fan club?) (1-10)
4a) Digital only (1-10)
4b) Prefer cd (1-10)
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Can’t hurt. Either way.
5) What cities have we missed?
Buffalo! (although I can easily go to Toronto or Rochester)6) And last but not least, what did I miss?–consider this the suggestion box.
I know this may be difficult but perhaps part of the proposed fanclub there could be more opportunities to meet Lucinda at shows? Meet and Greets perhaps. Maybe allowing fan club members to volunteer to sell merch. A song request feature? (Lisa Loeb does this quiet well at her shows).I just got this at a record store today (I actually had forgotten it was out!) and it is amazing so far. Lucinda is in top form. Excellent songs and I’m glad to finally have a DVD that focuses solely on them.
It is funny though that you can see some clear frustration in Lucinda’s face during the second chorus of Crescent City. Something that would have gotten an automatic “FUCK!” and restart these days.
If I were to tank the songs per album I suppose….
West
1. Eveything Has Changed
2. West
3. Are You Alright?
4. Where Is My Love?
5. Words
6. Fancy Funeral
7. Mama You Sweet
8. -13. (honestly I doubt I could even rank the rest because I’ve never been struck by them since the album came out. I probably couldn’t even pin Rescue or What If if someone was playing them for me. As for songs like Come On and Wrapped My Head Around That, they would fall to the bottom anyway.)World Without Tears
1. Fruits of My Labor
2. People Talkin
3. Ventura
4. Those Three Days
5. World Without Tears
6. Minneapolis
7. Overtime
8. Words Fell
9. Real Live Bleeding Fingers and Broken Guitar Strings
10. Sweet Side
11. Righteously
12. Atonement
13. American DreamEssence
1. Bus To Baton Rouge
2. Reason To Cry
3. Essence
4. Are You Down?
5. Blue
6. I Envy The Wind
7. Get Right With God
8. Lonely Girls
9. Steal Your Love
10. Out Of Touch
11. Broken ButterfliesCar Wheels on a Gravel Road
1. Greenville
2. Jackson
3. Still I Long For Your Kiss
4. Lake Charles
5. Metal Firecracker
6. I Lost It
7. Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
8. Right In Time
9. Drunken Angel
10. 2 Kool 2 Be 4-gotten
11. Can’t Let Go
12. Concrete and Barbed Wire
13. JoySweet Old World
1. Memphis Pearl
2. Sweet Old World
3. Something About What Happens When We Talk
4. Little Angel, Little Brother
5. Pineola
6. Which Will
7. Lines Around Your Eyes
8. Prove My Love
9. Six Blocks Away
10. Hot Blood
11. He Never Got Enough Love
12. Sidewalks of the CityLucinda Williams
1. Like A Rose
2. Changed The Locks
3. Crescent City
4. Big red Sun Blues
5. Side of the Road
6. The Night’s Too Long
7. Price To Pay
8. Abandoned
9. Am I Too Blue?
10. I Just Wanted To See You So Bad
11. Passionate Kisses
12. I Asked For Water@CliveDanko wrote:
I’ll keep my own comments short and simple, once you get started talking/writing about Lucinda you don’t stop.
Ripley – I’m interested in hearing further about your problems with SOW. I think almost every track is a near-masterpiece to masterpiece and it remains my favorite Lucinda album to this day. I’m also interested in your further thoughts on West, I’ve seen you ripping it to shreds in some other threads and have been preparing a post about it for awhile now as it’s the most divisive album in her catalogue and am interested in how people view it now after so much time to let it sink in and getting over the dissolution of the luv band. (going to give it a few more listens before I post my final thoughts)
Ray – It also took me awhile to appreciate West. It was the most disastrous first listen (and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th) to an album I’ve ever had, but I’ve come to almost love it now. It takes a lot of time, patience, and understanding to really get what Lucinda was trying to do with that record, and once you do you can begin to appreciate all the beauty in it. There were a lot of keys to unlocking that record for me, I’ll post more on those in my upcoming treatise on West 🙂
I suppose my problems with SOW are that it sounds very very transitional (which could be hindsight, of course). It has echoes of S/T and hints at Car Wheels/Essence. Despite being one of her more overt albums thematically I still feel as if it is not a very clear artistic point of view like S/T or CW. It’s an album I rarely listen to start-finish because it’s too uneven for that approach. I tend to ease my way through the songs and leave off a few.
As for West, my anger towards that album has subsided. I’m sure I came off nearly looney around its release but a lot of that came from it being the first LW record to come out since I became a fan in 2005. I can respect what Lucinda was going for but unfortunately it is one of the most self indulgent records I have ever heard. In fairness, Lucinda has always been a VERY self indulgent artist. The problem is whether or not this indulgence aligns with the listener’s own indulgence. Lucinda likes to do what she wants and make the records that she wants to make and thats never going to please her whole fan base you just have to hope as a listener you luck out and the album is your cup of tea.
the first set is now streaming on the main page again (with Jailhouse Tears edited for content haha)
Speaking of that song, it is infinitely better with Doug’s vocals. It’s a shame he couldn’t have sang it on the record.
Hmmm I agree in some ways and disagree on other points.
For starters I maintain that Little Honey is a vast improvement over West. An album I still struggle with and generally only like a couple songs and only truly love one (Everything Has Changed). I do agree that LH is an odd album in many ways. After multiple listens it becomes quite easy to realize what era a lot of these songs were written in and in some cases you can see why they didn’t make it to the albums they were written for. Unfortunately the songs that scream WEST are the ones I find myself the least interested in and the ones that have been confirmed as oldies I’ve loved since before I knew that about them (Circles and X’s and Horses).
On the issue of the lyrics I can see why someone might be critical of some of the choices but in an instance like Circle’s And X’s or Well Well Well, two songs that seem more about presenting a classic Country/Americana vibe than a poetic expression it makes sense to incorporate cliche’s like “raining cats and dogs”. It reminds me of something like “When I get back this room better be picked-up”. It’s more about the scenery and culture of the moment.
Whereas lines like “You squeeze my peaches” and “Now I got your honey all over my tummy” are cute and pretty daring for a 55 year old woman. These songs are light and fun and joyful. The lyrics leave a bit to be desired but I think they fit the mood of the songs. They come off pretty natural for being somewhat blushworthy.
Now an “over-mannered Elvis Costello” is about the most perfect way to desrcibe his presence on the record. Not a fan of that track.
Is it Car Wheels? No, of course not. It’s not even S/T or World Without Tears in my opinion but it’s still a very strong record that creates a pleasant atmosphere and despite containing songs from a 25 year period sounds very cohesive. It could be improved and I can understand the frustration of some reviewers who are used to a certain level of quality from Lucinda.
@Kaes wrote:
No since in passing up Buffalo while you’re so close in Feb/March. About an hour away Sheas or the Town Ballroom would be a great treat to Buffalo fans (especially ones that were very inconveniently out of town during the Massey Hall performance).
I live in Buffalo too. 🙂
Add a show in Buffalo!!
lol if I could pick (based on my current album faves) it would be….
Jambalaya
Maria
Like A Rose
Memphis Pearl
Greenville
Bus To Baton Rouge
People Talkin
Everything Has ChangedI wonder if she might cheat and use I Lost It for HWB?
My educated guest for the set list, however, would be…
Nothin In Ramblin (or Disgusted)
Happy Woman Blues
Changed The Locks
Pineola
Jackson
Essence
Righteously
Come On@Inside Job wrote:
I’m not sure exactly which recordings you are referring to. Sundays was recorded in the studio but I believe Lucinda just chose not to include it on the record. In between the RT record and the Sweet Old World record Lucinda signed what they still sometimes call a demo deal with RCA records and recorded 4 or 5 songs for them. Its a long story but the short version is that she demanded to be let go and raised enough of a ruckus to make it happen. How she managed to do that with ownership of the tapes is something only Lucinda could do. These are probably the rarest of her recordings as most people don’t even know about that brief chapter in her recording history. I think all but one of those songs were re-recorded for Sweet Old World. Until very recently the master tapes for all of the RT and the Sweet Old World era recordings were basically missing. But over the past year, in a moment of pure happenstance, we located what appears to be everything from that era, and they were safe and sound. There appears to be multiple versions of several songs and also the original versions of Well Well Well and If Wishes Were Horses. In addition we have a large box of recordings that Lucinda had once possessed but then had gotten separated from and they finally turned up and she now has them again. These appear to be mostly recordings from 1976-1980, pre Ramblin up thru with the original masters of both of Ramblin’ and Happy Woman. Some of these recordings are basically homemade 2-track on old Scotch 1/4″ reel-to-reels and even some things on cassette. When tapes are this old they often have to baked in a special oven and then transferred to a new format. A person who shall remain nameless had these tapes baked about 3-4 yrs ago and then did not transfer them, which makes them even more fragile. But i’m told they can still be salvaged. Any excitement about these recordings should be tempered by the fact that until they are safely transferred it won’t be known what is usable and what is really there. My fingers are crossed that they all survive. There’s a lot of work to do and as a result it will be some time before these recordings see the light of day, if ever.
I did some digging and apparently the songs I have are from the CBS era? Which I guess is a deal she had pre S/T and was unhappy with the sound of them and left and went to Rough Trade to rerecord them?
It’s kind of odd because the way they were labeled I had always assumed these tracks were recorded AFTER S/T for some reason. Which is why I was so confused about them.
That one seems vague. Would like to know what is actually on it.
I hate that picture they used. Her hair looks like a bad wig in the photo.
Hmm. Good for her. I’m sort of surprised. I figured anticipation usually works in her advantage and with a little over a year after her last album I thought she might struggle with sales on this one. I’m glad she’s not having any trouble though.
I suppose I should have been more specific, why was a studio version never on an album? The original release of S/T didn’t have the bonus tracks so it would seem the song could have been put on an album afterwords. There is a studio version of it from the Sweet Old World demo’s along with Like A Rose, Crescent City and The Nights Too Long.
Where is Inside Job when you need him to explain this whole deal!
