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a great find here: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=289002 (you have to be a registered user.)
says the uploader:
“This is a little gem in my collection that I’ve never traded widely. With this, I’ll be done with Lu fer awhile.
The two of them have their vocals down, but the band is pretty lost and can barely figure out what’s going on.
No, I don’t have the whole show–this was sourced from her archives; she did not keep the whole show.
Any confirming info on source/date of this little gem would be appreciated. The info I have is an educated guess of a friend of mine.
Hope this one really blows some people away!
Lucinda Williams/David Byrne
New York City
Venue: possibly Town Hall, NYC, February 19931. Tonight I Think I’m Gonna Go Downtown”
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then i found this link: http://books.google.com.br/books?id=rw8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Tonight+I+Think+I%27m+Gonna+Go+Downtown++lucinda+david+byrne&source=bl&ots=WvICYbePYP&sig=EQqkHL2fw3zjIAZTflRtxGYSn7o&hl=pt-BR&ei=J50tTLDNBISTuAfDzOTnAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tonight%20I%20Think%20I%27m%20Gonna%20Go%20Downtown%20%20lucinda%20david%20byrne&f=false
the song is gorgeous, and even more beautiful is lucinda saying at the end: “david byrne, my new friend. i can’t get over it. i mean, i’m such a huge fan of his. that was a real honor for me.” sweet as ever.
oh, and just a heads up: brazil is out of the world cup. “… that this world’s just not real to me.”
punchdrunkloveParticipantyou’re welcome.
1. Is All I Want an original? Has it appeared elsewhere?
no idea, i researched about it one day out of curiousity and couldn’t find anything. i have versions of this song from 81 to 93.
2. Lover of the Hour. Love chorus. Couldn’t believe verses later cropped up on Right on Time, years later.
At the risk of sounding geeky I found this interesting, a real insight into the creative process and how
nothing is thrown away but used again.you’re right, but it was only after your remark that i connected the dots. i have just this version of this song, and i can’t barely make sense of it (my listening in english is not my forte). “i stand over the stove in the kitchen (…) watch the water boil”. can you tell me what (…) is?
i love those kinds of connections, and i got myself one that i admit as being rather flimsy. it’s the verse that “sharp cutting wings” and “still i long for your kiss” share: “nobody around can take your place” and “no one here can ever take your place”.
3. Pineola. 1985 bootleg has extra verses, years before it was recorded. I think it works better without these as it leaves the song more concise. What do others think?
i like that she changed .22 to .44 (but i wonder why she did that and what’s the “right” caliber). but i liked from the live version the repetition of the verse “i just sat on the living room couch” (cf. the original version: “i just sat there on the living room couch” & “i just sat alone in a corner chair”), the cumulative effect is powerful. but, yes, in the first moment lucinda is at her house, and in the second she is supposedly at “a friend’s house”, so i understand why the distinction was made.
and i agree with you, i don’t like much the “he was a fool to pull that trigger/ but sure was a damn good poet” finale. well, i didn’t know at first that sonny was a poet (as far as i remember the official version doesn’t mention the fact), but i’m glad she left that out. it seems to me that a song is more personal (especially one paying homage to a friend) if you leave out some details of him, like name and ocupation. “pineola” didn’t describe him, but the aftermath of what happened, and i find so touching that lucinda spends time telling that his mother “believes in the pentecost” despite the fact that lucinda herself couldn’t believe what happened. another song i admire immensely is “drunken angel”, that features a good deal of deceptively mundane details, chiefly the “duct tape shoes”, that i only got after googling blaze foley. drunken angel is quite different from pineola, is considerably more furious, it’s not a song/poem about a tragic aftermath, but one written during one of this moments, seems very imediate.
and what i find so beautiful in the “official” ending of pineola is that she changed the last verse from “i just picked up…” to “i think i must’ve picked up a handful of dust (and let it fall over his grave)”. when she repeats this, she makes it sound more than a simple conjecture, but a somewhat haunting scene/wonder. i love pineola, it’s unfortunate that my english is not up to what i’d like to say.
punchdrunkloveParticipantthanks for the link! i’m amazed at how different this real love version sounds. considerably less furious.
besides that:
Little Milton from 1999 “Love Hurts” with Lu –> terrific
Live from KCRW “Sweet Side” –> terrificcouldn’t hear WXPN “2 Kool 2 Be 4 Gotten”, but i’m almost sure it’s the same version featured on the deluxe edition of car wheels.
couldn’t hear also the side of the road cover by the schramms, even after i registered. i guess it’s not available anymore.
punchdrunkloveParticipanti once read somewhere (i think on last.fm) that “only prince could get away with a song title like that” (or something like this).
it was nice to discover in the other thread that photo from the juke joint book that clears the matter up (http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images_911_144158_birney-imes.jpg). i’ve always defended those numbers, but since i’ve seen the picture they don’t need any defenses – it is what it is. the junebug vs. hurricane thing doesn’t matter anymore (i mean, if there’s some hidden meanings behind junebug and hurricane). the only solid thing is that photograph, the red wall. i love this song even more after that – because of all its randomness, a collection of images that features significant insight over lucinda’s creative process.
since i’ve never seen the book, i wonder if the last part of the song (the girl and her boyfriend on a lake charles bridge) is in any way hinted at the book, or if it’s “pure” lucinda. can anyone help with this?
punchdrunkloveParticipantthank you, tom.
oh, here you find the flac files: http://www.ousterhout.net/lossless/lwilliams.html (the mp3 files are 192 kbps.)
be sure to check out his amazing selection, emmylou harris (the wrecking ball demos!, incl. of course ‘sweet old world’), gillian welch (the revival demos!), iris dement, jackson browne, john prine, mitchell, van zandt, earle, waits…
punchdrunkloveParticipantthanks for your reply, mr. overby.
i don’t have a clue about the work behind pulling together an international tour, but i gather that it’s not an easy task. you said something about a “right opportunity”, but i can’t imagine what exactly that entails, i wonder if it’s essencial to get someone, a music promoter (is that the right term?) here to start the arrangements? i don’t understand this stuff, but i realize it’s not entirely up to you guys and appreciate the fact that lucinda’s open to the possibility and willing to do it.
i can’t say much about the demand, but i think it’s safe to assume that gigs in south america’s largest cities (especially rio & são paulo, brazil, buenos aires, argentina, and santiago, chile) usually don’t go unnoticed, most of them end up sold out. i was just in são paulo, where i attended some gigs. i never in my life would have guessed that gigs from a newcomer folk band from scotland like trembling bells or john pizzarelli would eventually sold out, but they did. joanna newsom came to são paulo (over 20-million people inhabits the city + a large expat community) in 2007 (touring her YS album), and while i don’t think it was sold out, it attracted a massive amount of fans and newcomers alike. i think the same thing would happen to lucinda. once the show is promoted, people that never heard her before will listen to her songs and things will hopefully work out.
i was pretty much confident in a SA tour after last year’s first ever spanish tour, but this only because it brought lucinda closer to a latin-speaking country. now this seems a pretty silly reason, but i wholeheartedly believe that gigs in brazil/chile/argentina would attract a considerable crowd.
i love girl from ipanema, it’s the unofficial hymm of rio and perhaps of the beginnings of the 60s throughout brazil, before the military dictatorship. sometimes, when i caught myself wondering about a gig here i remember that lucinda included “eclipse”, a particularly hidden jewel from the joão gilberto catalogue (probably because it’s a cover song sung in spanish), in her artist’s choice compilation. it’s like, she knows who he is! ok, of course he is famous worldwide, but she once heard this song performed by a brazilian singer-songwriter and that song stucked in her head ever since. it’s silly, i know. and now that i’m aware of this girl from ipanema trivia, i’ll wonder that lucinda at least once in her life wondered about the beaches of rio…
punchdrunkloveParticipantagreed, that one tops everything, the hey hey-finale is joyful. but the ’95 version is pretty terrific as well; not only because it’s old-timey, almost ancient, but especially because of the way she introduces the book and tells the title of the song during her performance, not before. i love that, the guitar soaring over her words.
and i have a question about the lyrics of this live version:
“??? (cf. rosedale), mississippi, freedom village (cf. magic city) juke joint”
i keep hearing marseille. is that right?
punchdrunkloveParticipanti’d love a first ever south american tour. is there even a remote possibility of that happening?
punchdrunkloveParticipanti like the ’98 concert better, but as much as i’ve seen it i always expect that 2 kool and/or concret and barbed wire will come up next. and they never do!
a very small quibble with this show: the way they edited greenville; i love the last verses (looking for someone to save you/ looking for someone to rave about you) but they cut twice to whatever the band members were doing. i think that kind of cut works very well on joy and can’t let go, but greenville’s strenght resides for me in the delivery of those verses and i wish i could see lucinda’s face all the way through and not be distracted by… not seeing it.
i said it was a small one.
punchdrunkloveParticipantgreat! speaking of costello/lucinda, there’s a great collection of songs from cmt crossroads (a program, i think) out there on the internet. blue, drunken angel, wild horses, crescent city, change the locks and a few more. it’s a must.
i watched the TRUE BLOOD pilot a few days ago and was disappointed with how they used lake charles to minimum effect. the song was fully played (and a little extended as far as i remember, there was a repetition of the “did an angel…” chorus at the very end), but since it was played at a bar quite far from the actual scene little could be heard. i’ve seen somes episodes ever since and i don’t like much of it.
now moving towards a much better take on louisiana, i really hope to listen to some lucinda on a TREME episode. can’t imagine a more appropriate place on tv for her songs. and, well, we got 2 kool 2 be 4-gotten on a WIRE episode, the last tv show from the TREME creator.
punchdrunkloveParticipantjust received the cd. great work, man. i was glad to hear the versions that tom tracy sent to robert.
punchdrunkloveParticipantsometimes i whistle the opening of angels laid him away and jackson – and i can’t whistle properly, in fact i can’t whistle at all. i can’t think of a nicer compliment.
i’ve been listening to lucinda quite a lot in the last 11 months, and i have specific memories concerning tiny bits of each song.
i love the neverending “willing'” in the end of hard road, the la la las from out of touch and side of the road, the hey heys from 2 kool, the oh ohs from greenville, the way she sings “just for the love of someone, and a big red sun” (big red sun blues), “did they lay down a law and lock up your heart” (steal your love) and “every time i see you, i wanna fall in love again” (king of hearts); the storytelling of memphis pearl and pineola, the images that i get from car wheels (“cotton fields stretching miles and miles”) and minneapolis (“snow covers the street lamps and the windowsills”); the last “of mine” of “little angel, little brother”, the “i love you, mama you sweet” over and over, the “baby sweet baby” from fruits of my labor. love the opening of people talkin” (especially the “tryin’ to teeeear us apart” bit), the unbelievably sing-along quality of concrete and barbed wire and sweet old world.
you know what, the drums, the wonderful drums of 2 kool top everything. in my opinion the last part of this song contains the most striking attempt on lucinda’s part to make sense of an event that is in itself incomprehensible (to me), the whole “he asked me ‘would you jump into the water with me'” and “it’s your own death you see”. and then you just get another unsolvable enigma (“junebug vs. hurricane” stamped on a wall, a single photo from a book as an inspiration) and those very weird, very beautiful, very disturbing hey heys. i have no idea what to make of this song, but this is possibly the best i’ve ever heard.
i also love the gurf morlix version, it’s quieter and lovelier, but i don’t think it’s better. the album version just goes in a wondrous crescendo of a finale, while this one tries to “make sense” of everything by repeating the kind of conforting, just-let-it-go first lines “you can’t depend on anything really, there’s no promises, there’s no point” before the final hey heys.
it’s very hard to write in english. sorry for any mistake/misspell.
and, oh, come to south america one day, please! there’ll be a nice crowd awaiting, and a beautiful natural setting, nice bridges and rivers.
punchdrunkloveParticipantif we could just change the title of the song to “2 kool 2 be 2×2-gotten” the 22-version project would be just about perfect.
i’m not supposed to say stuff like that but it seems a consensus (well, at least among robert and me) that the live track from the providence ’99 show is the crowing jewel of this compilation.
punchdrunkloveParticipantthanks to lafayette/lucinda, now i know what a po’ boy is.
punchdrunkloveParticipanthere’s the photo tntracy mentioned:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Gbj0mpn5XyA/SANM_vNPfMI/AAAAAAAABP4/DHsjXbs0Orw/s1600-h/2kool.jpg
i found it here: http://boogiewoogieflu.blogspot.com/2008/04/essay-on-influence.html
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