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Hate to have an old wound reopened but though I find I have much in common with Ripley, the one thing I cannot do is a revision on West.
The whole time it was being delayed – The Love Dis-Band, it all smacked of underlying creative problems to me and I just detest that record. I tried to listen to it before Little Honey came out as I felt enough water had passed under the bridge but I’m sorry – it was even worse than I remember.. I bought three copies when it came out to give away two to friends so maybe that had an effect. I don’t like John Lennon when he is too personal and some of that was like his autobiographical style. To me some of the songs are barely written at all. Thank the Lord Little Honey is much better.
Ripley – Just played the album for the first time and I love it – a real return to form I think.
Try a capo on 4th Fret -play an A major and you should be there or thereabouts in tune for the key / Tonic chord . Main chord changes are D Maj – A maj – plus an Emaj and the killer chord is an F#min. Lucinda always uses a capo and simple chords so she may be using a G shape capoed two frets up and playing G – C -D – and Emin.
So thats A,D,E and F#min on 4th Fret or G,C,D,Emin on 6th Fret.
Good luck. Good song. Cheers.
Tough one to nominate one song…..my personal favourites may not have the universal appeal…….hmmmm
I go for Changed The Locks – Although it does not have a complex structure and is I suppose just a list of devices to avoid contact, it is very witty and has just the right amount of bile. I also like to think it is about a woman exercising empowerment – Tom Petty notwithstanding. So in that sense it is very much of its era to me.
Aw no not again…………
Look I understand all the high falutin theories about artist’s rights but please….spare us the outrage wont you? Why is it that people find it so offensive to make a sensible analogy between the rock business and any business? What is so shocking about using such workaday terminology just to clarify the thinking?
Make no mistake, Tom is responsible for the business side of things whilst Lu gets on with the art. That is why he gets so involved in the forum and that being so my post is aimed at him – and not in a contemptuous way either. Fans keep saying the same things – and these are stakeholders – shareholders – people who love the artist and buy her ugh work – umm products – um..ART.
Selling some more units – be they tickets or records has to be a sensible strategy surely? Growth is a healthy objective, not a cynical one yet it seems to be a bit distasteful to couch it in such terms. Fact is if any artist does not sell enough tickets or shift enough recorded units the company that employs her will cancel the contract. Even if that is an artist we all love. That is a commercial reality and the casualties are all around us.
Hey I love this forum. Such animated and impassioned stuff.
I can appreciate this is a very pressured time for Lu and therefore for Tom. Album in the can – marketing budgets, tour budgets ,how many units need to be shifted in order to recoup. Let’s be honest they are at the real sharp end and the stress must be very acute for them at this time. The rest of us are just living our lives, looking forward to the new record and planning which venues to visit, how much for the hotel and the best route to get to the venue.
However, this debate is a recurring one and what amazes me about it is that it keeps rearing its ugly head with no apparent account taken of the reasonable points made by fans who are after all paying customers.
I do not manage a recording artist but I am a manager in business and I have to have a fruitful relationship with customers. The feedback on this forum is a great resource because it provides the best customer feedback index anyone could ask for – and Hell – it’s free!!
That being so why not treat it as such for once and refocus the strategy to actually concentrate on giving the public what they want at gigs? How many times do paying customers have to say they were disappointed by the product before somebody tries to address the issue of ragged performances and erratic sets?
I respect Lucinda’s right to change as an artist but she ignores the views of her lsiteners at her peril. I love her work and want her to be mega successful but she will not be as long as she ignores the conventions of live concerts and the expectations of her fans. No offence meant.
Ughh if you read the passionate debate that emerged in the thread, I think you may have missed the point.
Shephers Bush London May 2003 Beth Orton played one of the longest support sets I had ever seen. She told us she had been asked to keep playing because Lucinda was not yet at the Theatre but was still ‘shopping in the West End.’
When she eventually arrived Lucinda and the Love Band played a great show -which was plenty long enough – but Lu said they had to finish earlier than she would like because they needed to catch the ferry to Ireland…Hmmm Curfew? I don’t think so. Three years later same venue- Teddy Thompson had finished half hour ago and still no sign of Lucinda. Fractious show followed – bit short – but Bruce Springsteen joined her onstage and all was well…..
Sorry Roger but I don’t buy it. I love Lucinda Williams and have followed her career for 12 years now. Bought everything she puts out and been a strong advocate for her work to other people. However some things are just amateurish -That is all.
So no propoganda about profound genius please- bad behaviour from Jim Morrison, Brian Jones, whoever is not excused by their ‘wayward genius’ but may be a symptom of a pampered or cloistered existence where nobody is a naysayer and ‘you are an artist darling’ is the mantra so anything goes.
Lu is not getting any younger and the road is tough, she is agreat artist and a gifted person but the ticket is a contract and I think it is a negation of the artist’s responsibility to blame extraneous factors for poor performance. Diva behaviour that accompanies it should not be mitigated in any circumstances. If you want to do a long show you start at a time to accommodate that- that applies in every walk of life. It is just planning my dear – just planning.
I must admit it seems odd to me that you cannot put any critical stuff on on the forum about the shows or the revolving door that seems to exist for band members without provoking threats and abuse, yet Lu’s Weight and fertility are open season?
I came over all British when I saw the main question and even more so when I read about the allegations of substance abuse and guesses about weight fluctuation.
In any other published form litigation could result so whilst it is to the credit of Lu’s operation that they let it be am I alone in finding it just plain rude? What next – questions about Lu’s toilet habits?
Hey there is a good youtube of Joy featuring the Love Band and Doug playing a Trussart Steel Deville. You can pick up the basic riff off of that footage.
It is actually a classic blues riff with a C note on the A string pulled off to a basic closed A5 followed by a step down to a bent G note on the E string back to the same A. Its all feel and not that hard to execute. Doug superimposes a lot of double stop / 2 note chords over the baisc riff on the 2nd and 3rd Strings and then impropvises quite a jazzy solo. I love the Fillmore version best.
Finally got my El Rey set yesterday .
Ordered on the first day of availability so quite a wait but it was well worth it. Not as raw as I had expected given that it must have been recorded off the live desk but a great sense of place and of ‘being there’ which is all you can ask of live recordings I think. Glad to hear Lucinda in such great form and sounding so well.
Yeah you are right about the SG and the Rickenbacker. Actually he played 2 SGs: A custom and a Junior last year in London. I am a big disciple of Doug’s trying to acquire a matching collection to my hero and apart from costing the earth – even with identical gear I still can’t play like him or sound like him which is why I get a bit defensive when folks are a bit mean about him. I think he is the best sideman Lu has had and hope they stick together.
Doug uses a Matchless Clubman head and cabs for his main guitar and he used to have a Fender Vibroverb for the pedal steel. Latest pics seem to show Mesa Boogie amps on his side of the stage.
I have seen him play Gretsch – ahem – Chet Atkins Double Cutaway, DC Duojet, James Trussart Steel Deville, Fender Stratocaster, Telecaster, Jazzmaster, Gibson Les Paul Custom, Les Paul DC Junior. He likes his guitars………so do I.
Ahhhh…Back to my favourite subject.
This debate always takes me back to the Guitar Olympics of the 70’s – Steve Howe- John McLaughlin – Jimmy Page – now they knew how to play really fast…….. Dave Gilmour was too slow to make the final squad which just about shoes how redundant the argument is – Jimi was God of course but everybody else was a mere disciple…. so let taste be expressed and all agree that everybody has a right to have a personal preference.
Well to my ears Pettibone does a great job for Lucinda. He plays that endearing studied-sloppy style better than anybody else, filled in for years as a singleton guitar player and is always interesting.
One day I hope to hear the live CD collection that I bought five weeks ago and have not yet received. Others have been privileged to hear and seem to approve but this honour has thus far been denied me. If and when that day ever dawns I can hear how Doug copes with sharing the aural space… my guess is with consumate ease cause he is a pro. Until then its Three Hail Marys every hour on the hour for its safe arrival.
So let all pickers pick and whilst we are on the subject – God Bless Buddy Miller – a true virtuoso and an original Gretsch Country Gentleman.
When I saw this first post I thought it had to be somebody having a little jest. You know the kind of thing – irony – maybe just a polite dig at those making complaints about the packaging or something……….I mean ‘a disjointed listening experience….?’
C’mon it s a live bootleg made by Lu’s own people presumably off the desk then copied on a home PC or such like, its crudenss means it is in the raw – as it happens – kind of authentic….
You cannot be serious……….can you?
