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Reading about the next “Bob Dylan bootleg series” installment, made me wonder if Lucinda has much unreleased material that could be released as a series or a box set.
One would think there would be a ton of material from the 80’s and 90’s that never made it on an album.A Lu boxed set w/ lots of unreleased material (and hard to get duets, etc.)? Yum! That would be AWESOME!
Tom
That would be great. I’d particularly like it if it was material from the ’80s and ’90s; don’t get me wrong, I like the new stuff too, but seems like we’re getting plenty of that in concert and on new albums.
What do you think about the pricing for the Dylan Bootleg Series, ParkerCA (ie, how you can only get the third disc if you buy the full deluxe set for over $100 more)? I think it stinks.
I think that pricing is insane. I’m a huge Dylan fan, but I’m not dropping 100 extra bucks for a free booklet/poster and 12 extra songs, many of which are just different versions than the other two discs. Hell, you can buy a couple tickets to see the man live for that much.
I think (hope) itunes puts some of those out as an extra EP or some independent music stores sale it with the cd.
DiscoStu, are you going to get the deluxe edition?
I haven’t decided yet. If the third disc was merely a released version of outtakes/live performances that I already have on bootleg, I wouldn’t…but Columbia was pretty shrewd about how to spread the tracks among the 3 discs. It doesn’t help that the outtakes are intriguing by virtue of the fact that they’ve never circulated, and weren’t even confirmed to exist until very recently. I wouldn’t even consider paying what amounts to ~$10 a track for material that I either have on bootleg or is very, very similar to what I have (more studio outtakes from the ’60s, for example).
I don’t know. I may see what happens after it’s released and go from there. Bottom line, I really want to hear all of the outtakes one way or another. I don’t generally condone stealing music, but IMO the way that Columbia has decided to put this together borders on extortion. I’ll be really interested to see how many of these “deluxe” editions they sell. On another board, someone brought up the point that if they simply made it available only as a 3-disc set, but at a relatively high yet reasonable price of $50-60, they’d probably make a lot more money overall. Any casual fan (if any of those even care about outtakes from the last couple decades) is obviously going for the 2-disc set, and the price of the deluxe set is enough to dissuade some more serious fans who otherwise would jump at the chance to get the 3rd disc.
If Lucinda’s people ever put together something like this…please, please, please be reasonable about availability and pricing, as you were with the LA and NY sets. They weren’t cheap, but they were very fairly priced. )LOL…can you imagine the outcry here if they’d been packaged like the Dylan release? “Okay, you can either get the Car Wheels, Essence, and World Without Tears nights for $40, or a deluxe edition with all 5 nights for $200.”)
Yep, it hurts moneywise. I would buy a 3 disc set in a minute for 40-50 bucks.
I think mixing some unreleased material with some nice live tracks would be a great selection for a Lucinda collection. I would kill to have her version of “Gentle On My Mind”.
Also, fingers crossed this new album doesn’t get pushed back any further. I remember the “Live at the Fillmore” was supposed to be released in October 04 but was pushed back and pushed back until it was released in May 05.
as it is, we paid $20 per disc, later in the tour they were $15 each…..
now come on now people, bob dylan NEEDS your money……..
ha…….i have a dylan story….i was in a bathroom stall during the dylan, dead show in oakland coliseum…when i see a rent a cop/woman stick her head under the stall door to “see what i was doing”/to make sure i wasn’t standing there with a microphone! hahahahaha, cuz the cement bathrooms make the acoustics ssssssssooooooooooooooooo gooooooooodddddd!!!!
i yelled at her to mind her own business/i was incredulous……..
he doesn’t like bootlegs for sure, touring with a band that had a taping section at all shows (that went over like a lead balloon)
happy weekend all! sorry i can’t give a lucinda report, i didn’t go to the greek show
lisaDylan doesn’t like his photo to be taken either. I’ve been to 25+ shows and 99% of the time they are camera nazi’s. SOMEHOW I snuck a huge 35mm SLR camera into a show here in oklahoma about 10 years ago. I got some pretty good shots. I’m not that brave anymore. ha
They don’t do too good of a job with bootleggers. I think he is one of the most bootlegged artists out there.
Also, I’ll gladly hand over money for Lucinda or Bob music, I just don’t think it is cool to be blatantly ripped off like the “Bootleg Series Vol. 8”.
Does Sony really expect people to dish that kind of money out when the economy is in the shape it is in?
Sorry to intrude, but wow…. I saw the pricing on the Dylan set on Amazon ($152 or so…) and figured “that’s GOT to be a mistake” but after reading your conversation here it sounds like that’s the plan? $150+ for the 3disc version of this latest Dylan title?
If so, that’s genuinely nauseating and I would say I’m half-inclined not to buy the set at all. Someone with the integrity of Tom Petty will take on the entire record industry when they sought to bump his 1981 release up ONE SINGLE DOLLAR and now we have someone like Dylan allowing a 3cd set to list for $150+?!?! And it’s not even new stuff. It’s stuff that’s just been sitting around. Christ, I know it’s a “business” but isn’t the record industry in serious decline at least partially because of record company greed? When will they learn?
No way will I pay that and in fact I’m thinking of not buying the set at all. Maybe I’ll pick up a used version of the 2cd set, but… damn. I’ve been a big fan of the Bootleg series but why the sudden price hike? We’ve been blessed with some really great concerts from his golden years (1964, ’66), the Rolling Thunder show from ’75 along with tons of other rarites from most of his entire career and it’s all been reasonably enough priced, but screw Sony and screw Dylan too if that’s how they want to operate on this one.
I was checking out my bootleg collection and I have about 60% of what is on this set. They are not remastered to the standard of the Sony release, but geeze this is crazy. I really want to hear “Girl From the Red River Shore” and the Daniel Lanois version of “Mississippi” and that is about it.
If they released more of the “Supper Tapes” on this set I would be a little more excited.
IMO, Sony really blundered on the Dylan set. These are outtakes which, while they really excite the obsessive fans (did you download the free track from bobdylan.com, ParkerCA? Really interesting…), aren’t really that exciting to the general public. Any casual fan who might be interested in the 3-disc set is never going to buy it at $130, and many more serious fans won’t buy it either because they can’t afford it or because the price offends them. The other fact is, even for people who generally don’t condone stealing music, it’s a lot easier to rationalize when Sony is pretty much saying with a straight face that the 3rd disc is worth $100. I can’t wait to see what the sales figures are for this release, and I’d love to be able to know what the sales figures would be if the 3-disc set was priced even on the high side of reasonable – say, $60.
Again, any of Lucinda’s people reading…this is what NOT to do to your fans.
Exactly. It is the hard core fans that get the ol’ screwgy.
I did download “Dreamin’ Of You”. It sounded pretty ordinary the first couple of listens, but it’s growing on me. You can really tell it was a working “Standing In THe Doorway”.
I’d really like to hear a Religious period show. I think that would be really good and enough already with the 60’s rarities/outtakes. I’m sure he has more interesting stuff from the 70’s/80’s.
See, my feeling on Bootleg Series releases is that I’m a lot more interested in stuff that doesn’t already circulate on bootleg (unless it only circulates in poor quality). Even if these outtakes turn out to be only so-so, what excites me is that I couldn’t get them anywhere else. I agree, it would be interesting if they released a born-again show, but then again…I pretty much either have boots of any given show from that period, or could obtain them if I really wanted to. What gets me salivating are outtakes that nobody’s heard (or, in the case of the Time Out of Mind/Modern Times stuff, outtakes that no one had even really confirmed the existence of).
I like Dreamin’ Of You. It’s really interesting to hear how he was trying out lyrics that ended up in other songs (as you mentioned, Standing in the Doorway, but also a couple others), as well as to hear a song that sonically would have seemed so out-of-place on Time out of Mind. If the rest of the Bootleg Series Vol. 8 is this good, it won’t be too much of a rip-off. 😉
OK, you Dylan-heads – let’s get this thread back on topic – namely, dropping a big FAT hint to Lucinda & InsideJob that a box set of unreleased / hard to find stuff would be a GREAT IDEA!!! 😈 😆 😉
(Just kidding, of course – post all the Dylan stuff you want – I just wanted to reiterate THE HINT!) 😉
Tom
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