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Hello Steve:
I wish I could say that I appreciate your post however, I wouldn’t be honest if I did. I would like to say that your Dr. Philean approach to your perceptions is a bit, well, bizarre. Anyone can snip-clip Bonnaroo’s lineup although it’s nice that you found this useful. That aside, I would like to remind you that this is indeed a fantasy world where folks write/react with complete strangers around issues that involve complete strangers. I don’t react rather I do my best to engage such fantasy writers when my BS-meter goes off in terms of LWs music, etc. Other people have talked about their BS-meters here and I choose to use mine as well. I am fortunate enough to have been around for years, have not turned down laminates, and enjoy several insights into what is going on. Not a newcomer or cheerleader, though. Although the Grateful Dead is a brilliant star from a distance and hideous up close, I choose to balance the distance with being up close and personal, too. Even if it rubs those who wear rose-colored glasses the wrong way. After all, it’s there rub, not mine–the sweetest meat resides close to the bone…
@tonyg wrote:
Nice try, Steverino.
Correction, there, tonyg: It’s actually Stevarino v. Steverino (probably pronounced “Steve-a-Rino”). Sorry for the pointer however, I find the devil is in the details and/or the sweetest flowers grow closest to the outhouse… No grade given for effort or production!
@DavidinMaine wrote:
After all, it’s there rub, not mine
Correction, there, DIM: It’s actually their v. there (probably pronounced “thΙr”). Sorry for the pointer however, I find the devil is in the details…
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Tom
You are correct and I apologize for the slip! Wow, what a day you had, Tom: You were able to incorporate 12 of the 22 emoticons that are available for your use in this forum! Question, how did you select just the right 12? What criterion did you use to eliminate the other 10 and why? I can only imagine the mindful processes that are involved in such a pursuit! Some emoticons just don’t say the right thing–nothing says cool (or dis’s) like a yellow-smiley-guy with “sunglasses” on, I guess…
p.s. Still 475 tickets available in Concord. Ray Lamontagne sold out two shows in Portland in less than 2-hours (about 6,000 seats) at $43 per ticket. So much for the economy being a reason for low ticket sales…
@DavidinMaine wrote:
You are correct and I apologize for the slip! Wow, what a day you had, Tom: You were able to incorporate 12 of the 22 emoticons that are available for your use in this forum! Question, how did you select just the right 12? What criterion did you use to eliminate the other 10 and why? I can only imagine the mindful processes that are involved in such a pursuit! Some emoticons just don’t say the right thing–nothing says cool (or dis’s) like a yellow-smiley-guy with “sunglasses” on, I guess…
p.s. Still 475 tickets available in Concord. Ray Lamontagne sold out two shows in Portland in less than 2-hours (about 6,000 seats) at $43 per ticket. So much for the economy being a reason for low ticket sales…
I agree – not the economy – more likely plain bad taste. I know who I would rather watch.
DIm Fu –I have to say that your little tidbits of knowledge and insight are really Obi-Wantastic. But please allow me to make a couple of corrections etc. to you the Dishonorable One Who Truth Eludes. First I would like to congratulate Ray on his successful shows in Portland Maine. In these difficult times in the country and the music biz it’s great to see anyone having success-and of course its great to see people going out to shows. That’s good for everybody. And I don’t want at all to take anything away from Ray but you did fail to mention that these are his hometown shows, so I think any comparison you are trying to make with Lucinda’s sales is just a bit skewed (she’s not from Concord) and the deduction you make from it (“so much about the economy being a problem”) even more so. Also -just for the sake of the facts the Merrill in Portland holds 1900 not the 3000 you quoted. Missed it by that much i guess. Also since you started this comparison thing I checked Ray’s other shows and he is playing many of the same venues Lucinda plays and they are not sold out either- and for the record, with the couple I checked his ticket prices were higher. In fact the only shows that are sold out are the Portland ones.
I’m only pointing this out because you continue to come here and manipulate the truth and condescend and put down others all the while you’re shaking your David Byrne (or now Ray Lamontagne) pom-poms. And you claim to be a fan of Lucinda’s even though as you said in you’re own words, you don’t go to the shows, you don’t buy,like or listen to the records (but you do hang out on the website). That’s the equivalent of saying to your wife, yes honey I do really still love you, I just don’t want to talk to you, listen to you or be seen with you. I mean you try so hard to come up with this skewed evidence -or simply create it when it doesn’t exist -that all is bad with Lucinda. I mean, a few months ago you took a review that wasn’t really even a bad one and claimed it was. You are like the Negative Network –all negative all the time. I’m not trying to be mean or vicious or attack you or anything so I sincerely hope you don’t take it that way.
I just want to know.
Why?
It’s almost like you have some agenda.
What is it?
Do you think that if you can prove and offer up all this evidence that Lucinda’s career is failing that it will bring back the old Lucinda that you love?
Or, Tattoo, as you said recently, is all of this just Fantasy Island to you and this is just how you get your jollies?
So if you can muster up just a little bit of truth just this once— and not give me this blather about being the voice of the dialed-in ears counterbalance viewpoint blah blah blah, I simply want to know–as David Letterman asked Rod Blagocevich the other night on his show
“Why in the hell are you here?”tonyg, i was about to provide sustenance to the little creature who resides under a
bridge who spends alot of time here but i’ll heed your request. i’ll just wait for the
random list of 10-12, or 20 performers he’s listened to on his stereo to prove
his musical acumen in the next post. (i guess a few crumbs won’t mean much
after the meal overby just fed him)@TOverby wrote:
DIm Fu I simply want to know–as David Letterman asked Rod Blagocevich the other night on his show
“Why in the hell are you here?”Interesting question, TO, and allow me to answer it without name-calling or dogma or harassment-type, finger-thumping-of-the chest statements. Why the FU–is it that bad? Here are a few reflections for you:
1) LWs music is much different today than it was before the CWOGR era. A simple listen will provide enough evidence of this.
2) After her tour with Jim Lauderdale and Kenny Vaughn, her live sound shifted albeit slowly, towards the hard-rocking sound that is reflected now. I remember Bo Ramsey (Charlie Sexton, too) having a hard time making sense of it all with DP doing a terrific job mediating the live shows as a bandleader of sorts. I simply miss the LWs sound that made LWs, LWs, that’s all. The Side of the Road and am I too Blue for You and the Out of Touch LWs. Do I expect LWs music to morph and grow. Of course. Do I want the past to be merged with the present like so many artists do, of course I do (e.g. Elvis Costello, Bill Kirchen, Jim Lauderdale, The Flatlanders, Asleep at the Wheel and Willie and the Wheel, Willie Nelson, Old Crow Medicine Show, David Byrne, Susan Tedeschi, Ani Difranco, Prince, Greg Brown, Bo Ramsey, the classic Don Walser, Steep Canyon Rangers, and so forth).
3) No jollies here just a bit of confidence–enough so to engage with you, her manager who on occasion hits my BS-meter until it goes off and I will challenge the blind fellowship. I can speak directly and intelligently and that is more than OK–regardless of the obvious disconnects between you and some of the forum’s faithful.
4) For example and a question: Why no creative double-billing instead of the B6 ongoing partnership? What’s the platform and thinking here?
5) During the past few years, it seems that album production/touring has over-shadowed the essence of her music–both live and in the studio. That’s my point and that is basically why I am here. It’s harder to find classic LWs in her latest albums. Prince has the same problem although not a fair comparison–he is far more prolific than anyone. Genius does have its liabilities. Ticket sales towards the end of her last tour (The Fillmore’s last two nights) and the current tour are sounding this warning bell as well one would submit.
6) Yeah, I did overshoot the Merrill’s seat count–sorry about that and yes, these are homecoming shows of sorts too so that’s not fair either–I apologize. However, Ray’s european tour is all but sold out and LWs and B6 should easily sell out Concord–I am sure you would agree and are even more bummed than any of us, right?Finally, thanks for having this forum and your participation–you don’t have to do this. Don’t forget/underestimate a few things–some of us are paying attention, some of us can string together 25+ years of fandom, some of us have been around enough to know the largely unknown (front-of-house and back, too). Screaming and finger-thumping won’t change that. Even for those who absolutely love this phase of LWs and B6 there are many of us that long for the kiss of the new meets old. The lonely wail of a lost fiddle being framed by a lap-steel with LWs far-away voice. It’s great to have Keith Richards-like guitar meets Janice Joplin/LWs blues but Happy Woman Blues is still out there Sharp Cutting Wings style…
Honestly, thanks for your participation and questioning,
D–
@TOverby wrote:
I checked Ray’s other shows and he is playing many of the same venues Lucinda plays and they are not sold out either- and for the record, with the couple I checked his ticket prices were higher. In fact the only shows that are sold out are the Portland ones.
p.s. The Calvin is all but sold out at $38 for RL (a mitt full of tickets upstairs and scattered singles down) with only 1/3 of the entire house sold for LWs at $43. Not good and I agree with you–people going out to see shows is excellent and beneficial to many people and businesses alike… It’s a downer when sales are off, for sure and I don’t have to tell you that…
In my experience FU is usually an abreviation for follow up. I was a bit surprised in one of my first professional jobs when my boss wrote “Steve – fu” next to some meeting minutes he put in my “in basket”.
From my perspective David’s BS meter is really just an indicator that someone has a different opinion than him. If they don’t see things as he does then its BS. I totally disagree that Lucinda’s music does not sound like Lucinda Williams older music any more. My first album and still favorite is the self titled or Rough Trade album. I have it in vinyl and CD. I still think she is putting out high quality old Lucinda Williams-like music. Those Three Days, and Minneapolis off the WWOT album are classic old style sounds. Steal Your Love, and Bus to Baton Rouge from Essence paint such vivid pictures of southern life. Are You All Right and Rescue off West always send a chill up my spine from the concert I first heard them played live. And I’ve probably listed too many times my favorite classic sounds on Little Honey. But I also like her songs trending more towards the rocking sounds of late. This is my opinion, I suspect DIM will think my opinion is fantasy and will probably set off his BS meter. It is fine with me if in his mind my reality is a fantasy, but that’s really just an opinion.
I didn’t learn about not being “reactive” from my parents. I learned to Act, not Re-Act, at corporate training at one of the most highly regarded companies in the world, not from watching Dr, Phil. I was surprised that most of the people in the class already knew this behavior, but it was new to me at the time early in my career. I drift back into it occasionally.
Steverino is the correct way to spell Steve Allen’s Nickname from the “Tonight’s Show”. That was the nickname my dad gave me when I was in grade school, but I’ve always spelled it incorrectly as Stevarino. What did I know, I was only 6 when I started using it. Either is fine with me.
Steve
@TOverby wrote:
DIm Fu –I have to say that your little tidbits of knowledge and insight are really Obi-Wantastic…to you the Dishonorable One Who Truth Eludes…I checked Ray’s other shows and he is playing many of the same venues Lucinda plays and they are not sold out either- and for the record, with the couple I checked his ticket prices were higher. In fact the only shows that are sold out are the Portland ones…I’m only pointing this out because you continue to come here and manipulate the truth and condescend and put down others…
TOverby: Hmmm, not quite sure where to start. Please know that this is not about LWs and her music, rather as a long-time fan, it’s more about the nuts and bolts of opening bands, touring logic, etc. In the past, it was really cool to see her tour with interesting cats like Jim Lauderdale, Bo Ramsey, Kenny Vaughn, etc along with interesting opening bands. During the past few years, things have changed. It seems like new directions and new business decisions are taking shape, that’s all (e.g. why two tours with “B6”?). Just wondering and while all the snarling/barking in your messages is somewhat cute (obi-wantastic, etc), it doesn’t change the way things are. I am not manipulating the truth rather pointing it out. When you see a monk pointing at the moon, are you going to focus on the moon or the monk? I choose to focus on the moon. For the record RL’s tour is all but sold out with consistently lower ticket prices so I am not sure what truth you are checking into. I, for one, am hoping Lucinda walks into jam-packed rooms with positive rasta vibes ’cause she deserves it and safe travels to all those who are road-trippin’. Here are a few RL shows that are sold out–I ended my searches with these as the sold out theme is more than apparent:
Wellmont
The Palace (20 seats left)
Tower Theater
The Egg (few seats left)
The Shubert
Metropolis
Massey Hall (few seats left)
The Pageant
Calvin Theater
Flynn Theater
Merrill x 2THIS POST IS SILLY!
Who cares if Ray L. has sold out more shows?All I know is I can see her 3 times in one week, and will not be attending any Ray L. shows, couldn’t care less! What is the point of this post?
Although the Grateful Dead is a brilliant star from a distance and hideous up close, I choose to balance the distance with being up close and personal, too.
WTF does that mean??
ps- The Dead are charging $100 for tix, for only part of the band. I’ve seen the Grateful Dead 100 times, but will not be attending any of those shows either.
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