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October 19, 2008 at 8:49 pm #29511tntracyParticipant
Attendance has been down this tour at Lu’s shows, and inquiring minds want to know why. So I thought I’d post a poll…
Tom
October 19, 2008 at 9:12 pm #37735DavidinMaineParticipantHey Tom:
Love the idea of a poll. But, how about adding a question or two regarding her new “sound” and “direction” in terms of Little Honey and the emerging rock/blues backplane? Some of the questions/line of questions seems a bit redundent (with all due respect of course!). Really, great idea-the poll!
October 19, 2008 at 10:34 pm #37736tntracyParticipant@DavidinMaine wrote:
Hey Tom:
Love the idea of a poll. But, how about adding a question or two regarding her new “sound” and “direction” in terms of Little Honey and the emerging rock/blues backplane? Some of the questions/line of questions seems a bit redundent (with all due respect of course!). Really, great idea-the poll!
Hey, no problem. I’m open to constructive criticism. And, while I was walking the dogs after posting the poll, I was also thinking about the questions I chose & concluded they were a little redundant as well.
So, I edited it, and left the one option that had received the only 2 votes so far pretty much as it was (combining the “not at all” with the “not as much” & letting “not as much” suffice for both in all options). The real difference is I added the “new sound” you suggested as an option (although I just said “rock ‘n’ roll'” ’cause I gotta disagree with you on the “blues” part of your suggestion. Lu has always played the blues – heck, look at her first two albums!
I did have to change the order a bit to keep the two votes so far on the second, “financial” option.
So, is this better?
Tom
October 20, 2008 at 12:43 pm #37737PhilthyParticipantI’m not going to as many shows as I would wish to because the bus from the UK to all of those fine venues in the USofA is a little over-priced (not to mention slow!)
Soon as she gets her B-hind over here, I will be going plenty!
October 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm #37738tntracyParticipant@Philthy wrote:
I’m not going to as many shows as I would wish to because the bus from the UK to all of those fine venues in the USofA is a little over-priced (not to mention slow!)
Soon as she gets her B-hind over here, I will be going plenty!
Yeah, I thought about you fans “across the pond”, and realized this poll kinda excludes you as she obviously doesn’t get over to Europe as often as she tours the States. I suppose, technically speaking, you could vote for the “financial” reason as you can’t / won’t pay for a plane ticket across the Atlantic every time you’d like to see her! 😉
Tom
October 22, 2008 at 1:41 am #37739ripleyParticipantI was going to go to the Rochester show but I was broke AAAAND the show was canceled.
October 22, 2008 at 4:18 am #37740LafayetteParticipantFairly new fan here. I originally was going to go to the Nashville show but chose the Columbus show as it was closer to home (didn’t have to spend as much on gas or hotel room). After the Columbus show, had it not been for the economy, I would have been driving to St. Louis and Chicago, no doubt about it.
Not knocking Buick 6, but is it possible prior opening acts helped increase attendance with their fan base?
October 22, 2008 at 8:56 am #37741DavidinMaineParticipantGreat question: An enhanced double-bill could really make a difference. Look at Neil Young’s latest dream bill: Wilco and NY! And I do remember the LW dream bill: Jayhawks and LW or how about The Bottle Rockets and LW–I was there a few times, too! And then there was the Alejandro Escovedo bill!…
October 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm #37742RayParticipantAn opening act is not going to make the difference for me. I’d go regardless, new material or old.
But I haven’t gone lately, and I can’t answer the poll because my obstacle is not one of the choices. The problem is all too common: Life gets in the way. For a lot of us, somewhere between our early 20s and enjoying our 401k’s (haha), making the time for a sometimes distant show is increasingly difficult. It’s not the cost of a ticket and gas, but the time and everything else. It’s a big deal. When did things change so that I can’t drop everything, and just go?! 🙁 Even making plans isn’t a guarantee: This summer I had purchased tickets for her show headlining the Finger Lakes festival, but an ailing family member sent me to Florida instead. In other words: Life got in the way. Similar story for the madison sq. garden show a few weeks ago. Same deal for the early summer PNC arts center show with Mellencamp — family and work obligations made that night impossible.
It sucks, but I know where I need to be. I don’t think I’m any less dedicated a fan for my absence. And I am sure there are a lot here like me, in the same position, dying to go but stuck without a babysitter or not able to leave work or attending to loved one, disappointed but realizing that something else takes priority at the time.
Those who are able to attend so many of shows are very fortunate, and I attend vicariously by reading their posts. Thanks to all for sharing! And thanks to Lucinda for continuing to play all these shows. I’ll be at a show next year. I promise. 8)
October 23, 2008 at 7:29 pm #37743tntracyParticipantRay, I think your situation, although not specifically listed in the poll, would fit better under the “financial” option; i.e., due to circumstances beyond your control, rather than a willful avoidance of attending.
Tom
October 23, 2008 at 7:53 pm #37745TOverbyParticipantTom– I typed this a couple of days ago and then lost it and retyped. Anyway, we were discussing this topic the other night in Nashville but we didn’t get a chance to finish before I got pulled away. I think the poll is an interesting idea and an example of the potential positives that can come from an this forum. So I’d like to add a some things that we didn’t have chance to talk about the other night. In addition maybe I can provide a look behind the scenes and some additional food for thought. First, this is not just a Lucinda problem. It is happening to everyone, and from what i’ve heard in many cases its far worse than what we are seeing. I talk to Lucinda’s booking agent nearly everyday -and i get feedback from the local promoters who are doing our shows. What I have been hearing is consistent and it is that things were already difficult but that about 4-5 weeks ago, roughly the same time as the Wall St/economic meltdown and unfortunately about the same time we started the tour, ticket sales just fell off the table everywhere. And that’s exactly what we saw -many of the shows started out strong and then ticket sales just froze in a lot of places. So it’s very apparent that economy has hurt ticket sales. Another telling thing is that our shows in Canada are doing great -with a couple of them selling out quickly -even though we played all the same markets a year ago and to be honest in one of those cities the show last year was not one I felt was one of the better ones. In Toronto we played to the largest audience so far on this tour outside of NY. I find all that pretty interesting.
What happened with the Nashville show is a microcosm of the challenge we are dealing with right now. When we put that show on sale it was decided to put it on sale as standing GA on the floor and seated GA up in the balcony, and the promoter suggested the tickets on the floor to be slightly more ($5 I believe). After the first couple of weeks the sales of tickets in the balcony were far beyond what had been sold on the floor. Enough so that the promoter suggested that we needed to change the floor back to seated GA. By doing that we also had to give back some of the show guarantee. There really wasn’t a decision because you can’t have a show with everybody up in the balcony and nobody on the floor. I made the original decision to have it be a standing floor because that is what Lucinda prefers, and that show completely exemplified why. For the first 2/3 of the show the audience was seated and while they were great, everything changed when Lucinda told everybody it was ok to get up and come down to the front. The energy in the whole place just completely turned, and Lucinda just fed off it which she mentioned from the stage, and the rest of the show was just elevated. I guess you’d call that a conundrum.
I’ve seen the suggestion of playing clubs, and while we are doing that in Mpls, Seattle and San Francisco, most cities either don’t have a big enough club or couldn’t support two nights. Clubs are also an issue on the business end because many have ticket ceilings, and the ticket price has to not only support our 17 people but the cost to the promoter of putting on the show- advertising, security, rent etc.
I saw one suggestion of co-headlining a small theater. Now you’re supporting two infrastructures and tickets would have to be $80.But it would be foolish to say the economy. I don’t take anything for granted. I am always looking at the things we are doing. It is an advantage to be able be on the road and see what is happening night after night. I try to talk as much as i can every night to fans. Its also one of the reasons I value this forum, and am involved with it. If I get one idea or one suggestion that improves what we do it is invaluable. For instance, I have considered that maybe we were hurt when the album release date got bumped, as it caused us to go out longer before it came out. That’s hard to gauge. Maybe that’s another question for your poll -if the album had been out before the show would you have been more likely to go? One thing I do know is that it doesn’t have anything to do with setlists etc. That is nonsense and I have the hard facts to back it up but will respond to that separately.
One of the other things that I am becoming increasingly aware of is that it there is a growing split in the preferences of Lucinda’s fans. There is a group that would not go to a club show and there is another group doesn’t go the bigger theaters for various reasons. The only real answer is first and foremost to keep putting Lucinda in venues where she enjoys it and gets the energy of the audience. Ironically, as I was watching the show in St. Louis the other night I was thinking that the venue, The Pageant, was almost the template venue for her right now -standing area down front and intimate seats up top –and as someone joked last night–a bar.
While things are certainly challenging right now, Lucinda is doing great. She is enjoying playing live more than she ever has, she feels more confident on stage and feels she has the best band she’s ever had. The band is really playing great and there is a real rapport with Lucinda. A lot of the things that are happening are out of our control but the one thing we do have control over is playing the best show we can. As long as the shows are great all is good. And the feedback on this tour from both fans and press has been virtually unanimous. After the NY show i talked to an A&R person who had scouted Lucinda way back when she was a young lass, and he said “I’ve been seeing Lucinda for 28 years and this was by far the best she has ever been-on so many levels”. The people that are coming out to the shows have been fantastic and Little Honey debuted in the Top 10, That would be a first for her and after all these years, a fantastic accomplishment. She’s worked very very hard for that but none of it could have happened without the amazing fan support she has had–now and always. Someone told me recently “take care of her -she is an American treasure”. My bias and interest are obvious, but she is a treasure, and I think she’s never been better night after night and I hope everyone can come out and see that.
October 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm #37744Disco StuParticipantI was one of the poll respondents who chose the “I’m not thrilled with her new rock-and-roll sound” choice, but I’d like to elaborate on that since I don’t think it’s entirely accurate to say that. As of now, I’m only doing one show this tour (still haven’t 100% ruled out a run down to Chicago tomorrow, though) for a variety of reasons. Money is one of them; I’m not hurting too bad right now but it sure seems like a time to tighten my belt. I went and saw three Bob Dylan concerts this summer and had to travel to do it, and I’m really impressed with how he’s performing this year. I’ve got two more Dylan shows coming up next month, too. So it’s less a rejection of Lucinda than it is an acknowledgment of the fact that I have a limited amount of money to spend on concerts, and she’s not the only artist I see over and over again. Furthermore, I’d definitely attend tomorrow’s show except that it’s GA and I’d be hard-pressed to get down there after work in time to get a spot near the stage; that’s something that matters a lot to me when it’s GA.
So when I say that I’m not attending as many shows because of Lucinda’s new sound, it’s not meant to be a harsh criticism of that sound, just an acknowledgment that while I like her current show, it’s not enough to overcome the other personal reasons I’m not going to more shows. If I was more fully enthralled with her sound right now, I’d make it to more shows regardless of time and money, but the flip side is if I had more money I’d do more shows as is.
BTW, thanks for the insightful comments, Tom.
October 23, 2008 at 9:24 pm #37746tntracyParticipant@TOverby wrote:
While things are certainly challenging right now, Lucinda is doing great. She is enjoying playing live more than she ever has, she feels more confident on stage and feels she has the best band she’s ever had. The band is really playing great and there is a real rapport with Lucinda. A lot of the things that are happening are out of our control but the one thing we do have control over is playing the best show we can. As long as the shows are great all is good. And the feedback on this tour from both fans and press has been virtually unanimous. After the NY show i talked to an A&R person who had scouted Lucinda way back when she was a young lass, and he said “I’ve been seeing Lucinda for 28 years and this was by far the best she has ever been-on so many levels”. The people that are coming out to the shows have been fantastic and Little Honey debuted in the Top 10, That would be a first for her and after all these years, a fantastic accomplishment. She’s worked very very hard for that but none of it could have happened without the amazing fan support she has had–now and always. Someone told me recently “take care of her -she is an American treasure”. My bias and interest are obvious, but she is a treasure, and I think she’s never been better night after night and I hope everyone can come out and see that.
I think this says it all, Tom. I’m very happy to hear Lu is enjoying touring right now & is in such fine spirits. I’d agree from what I saw Friday in Nashville – Lu & the band looked and sounded great & everyone sure seemed like they were having a great time. I know I did, especially after I could get up & really enjoy the show w/o pissing off the people around me! And I agree with y’all – after seeing her in several different types of venues – reserved seating everywhere, GA everywhere outside (i.e., summer music festivals), GA seated floor & GA standing floor – the best shows are always the ones with GA standing floor. No doubt. The proof was in Nashville. It really was like two different shows, and it was all due to the energy shown by the crowd once we all got on our feet.
Thanks for your comments & insight, Tom. Believe me, your efforts to inform & engage the fan base are very much appreciated.
Tom
October 24, 2008 at 12:29 am #37747gazelleParticipantI have been keen to see more live shows I was considering combining my passion for travelling and L.W. with a trip to one of the shows in 08, the mountain winery concert appealed, from my home in Northern Scotland I could fly to Dublin and then there are great connections from the Republic of Ireland to the USA, east and west coasts. This trip would probably have cost more than £1000[$1650, at the moment], but Iam sure it would have been worth it, anyway it never happened, mainly due to work commitments. Last week I received my copy of ‘Little Honey’ , and now Iam really keen to see L.W. and the band live.
On the subject of Lucindas muscal style at the moment ,the first three tracks on the album are rock, country and blues, and there is some beautiful folk music aswell ,surely ,something for everyone. I would love to hear an emotional live rendition of ‘Rarity’ , maybe even stretched to, say,twelve minutes long.
Anyway, I will keep on looking out hopefully for news of European dates , and if the band get anywhere within a couple of hours of ‘grenwitch mean time’ I will get to as many shows as time and money will allow. For the moment I will carry on day dreaming of seeing the great lady on her home soil someday.
Ps. is that like, a mistart at the beginning of real love.October 24, 2008 at 11:58 pm #37748tntracyParticipantDid anyone else who listened to the Webcast from Minneapolis last night notice anything in particular about the second set last night? Concerning the type of songs Lu & the band selected from each album to play? 😉
They were all ROCKERS! Does anyone else think that might have been a little statement about some of the “controversy” about the “new direction” Lu and the band are supposedly taking (I say “supposedly”, because there are also country tunes, slow ballads, etc. on Little Honey)?
Sarah & I were just talking about it and we think it is great that Lu & the band are playing what they enjoy playing. If they aren’t happy & enjoying what they are doing, then what’s the point? We are just happy to be along for the ride…
Tom
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