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July 9, 2010 at 2:23 am #43575punchdrunkloveParticipant
yeah, great song. “you’re out of reach… so far out of reach…”
oh, this is one of her songs. at the beginning of the west hollywood/’92 version she says she wrote it “a while back but hasn’t been recorded”.
i hope lucinda dusts if off and puts it on a record, just like ‘horses’ and ‘circles’ on little honey. (in the australia/’93 version she says this song would be on her next record… which makes it car wheels.)
“song for a jewelry maker” is pretty great too. about being weak in the knees and a person with devil blue eyes. “when you look at me that way, baby, makes me wanna get down on the floor”.
and her words:
Lately I’ve been feeling a little wistful about my early, simple stuff. Recently I found the words and chords to some songs I wrote when I first came to Austin, songs like “Full Moon” and “Song for a Jewelry Maker.” I started playing them and got real emotional and started crying. There was this innocence, this part of me that I missed, that I had left behind. I thought, “I want to record an album of early, early songs that have never been released and call it ‘Early Songs'”–do it raw, like a demo, a really simple, folky kind of record, coming full circle and starting all over again.
http://www.singlearticles.com/city-girl-a3877.html
besides this being a terrific idea, does anyone know about this song “full moon”?
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by the way, does anyone here have these two shows?
http://kensplace.prodiscussion.net/non-dylan-vines-f3/two-early-lucinda-gigs-t135.htm
OH MY. did i just spot “if wishes were horses” In one of the setlists???!!!
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July 9, 2010 at 7:52 pm #43576Disco StuParticipantby the way, does anyone here have these two shows?
No, but man do I wish I did! Those setlists look amazing. I count four songs (How It Feels, Don’t Kid Yourself, Duck and Dive (?), and That’s How I Got To Memphis) that I’ve never even heard of. And I would give an awful lot to hear a 1986 recording of If Wishes Were Horses, which is my favorite song on Little Honey. I’m equally curious about Full Moon. I wonder if any of those are alternate titles to songs that were later recorded; they don’t necessarily sound like it, but you never know.
i hope lucinda dusts if off and puts it on a record, just like ‘horses’ and ‘circles’ on little honey.
punchdrunklove, I’ve been saying the same thing about All I Want since I first heard it. You never know, right? 🙂
July 10, 2010 at 1:32 am #43577LWjettaParticipant@punchdrunklove wrote:
by the way, does anyone here have these two shows?
http://kensplace.prodiscussion.net/non-dylan-vines-f3/two-early-lucinda-gigs-t135.htm
!One of the above link is:TEXAS TURTLE PRODUCTION
LUCINDA WILLIAMS BAND WITH DAVID GRISSOM
SOAP CREEK SALOON, AUSTIN TX
JUNE 7, 1984SOURCE:AUD>CASSETTE>PHILLIPS 765>CD WAVE EDITOR>TLH>DIME
“QUOTE”
Groover’s Paradise
The ballad of soap creek saloon
BY MARGARET MOSERSoap Creek’s last dance, 1979
Photo By Ken Hoge
If the Armadillo World Headquarters was the heart of Austin’s music community in the early Seventies, Soap Creek Saloon was its soul. The rundown shack of a venue was on what was then a godforsaken stretch of Bee Caves Road, and the rutted dirt trail that led to it was even more notorious. You’d never know it today, looking at the strip malls that line the highway, but it was the scene of many a wild night.
END”QUOTE”
I found a couple of Torrent downloads of this concert on the web, but I won’t use them punchdrunklove, as they ask for your e-mail and in some cases a subscription fee.
Anyway, do you think this might have been the gravel road to the Soap Creek Saloon that Lucinda had in mind when she later wrote CWOAGR?
I also found that the University of Texas has an extensive history on the infamous Soap Creek Saloon.
lwjJuly 10, 2010 at 3:19 am #43578LafayetteParticipantInteresting setlist with some of the “new” songs that are really “old” songs. Can you imagine dropping into a roadside bar back in the day and hear Lu singing? Sends chills down my spine thinking about it! Wish I had those bragging rights.
David Grissom played with Mellencamp on three records between ’89 and ’93.
July 10, 2010 at 5:21 am #43579punchdrunkloveParticipantI count four songs (How It Feels, Don’t Kid Yourself, Duck and Dive (?), and That’s How I Got To Memphis) that I’ve never even heard of. And I would give an awful lot to hear a 1986 recording of If Wishes Were Horses, which is my favorite song on Little Honey. I’m equally curious about Full Moon. I wonder if any of those are alternate titles to songs that were later recorded; they don’t necessarily sound like it, but you never know.
exactly, those four (five counting full moon): never heard anything about them. besides the amazingness of listening to ‘wishes’ (also my favorite from little honey, along with circles and x’s – what does that mean?) with different lyrics (she told in a interview, don’t recall which, that she changed a few things in it and circles, lyrics-wise) but even better: concrete and barbed wire from 1986. this is one song from car wheels that always felt not restricted to a particular time or date to me, i wouldn’t be surprise to hear versions of it back from the 70s (although i realize it was probably written in the 80s). that’s to say that i think this song is so old in spirit, a recollection of three different lovers (i prefer to think that lucinda talks about three different women having problems with their men). we start with a “metaphorical” wall, then we go to a “real” wall with dogs being at some gate and being mean, lord, really mean, and then we have our “pretty real” jail-type wall (also metaphorical obviously). and i love that spellbinding, magical climax, that brings things to a satisfying close, at some point the song sucks you in to its weird universe of awful dogs that you forget you were listening in the first place to a song about an awful heartbreak.
and i think greenville is a bit like that, it’s just spellbinding and magical as ‘concrete’ when the last verses kick in (save you/rave about you), but there’s no question that greenville’s dissatisfaction cuts deeper (how unhappy is its unhappy ending?). awfully clever songcraft to me is this: making ‘concrete’ and metal firecracker sound insanely catchy and infinitely sad. we can say to ourselves “it’s only made of concrete and barbed wire” in order to help us get through the slightest problem we have. real catchy.
i think ‘concrete’ was also the first lucinda song that i knew how to sing back to back, including the very challenging word “opelousas”. what a fun name, second only to the place where that sweet guy that loved to tell everybody he was from lake charles was born (still have no idea how to write it without googling it).
i thought that “how it feels” was “pancake” misnamed (pancake has lots of “how it feels” at the ending). but that can’t be because there’s already a track pancake in the same setlist.
and how about “letters”? the one laura centrell recorded. i liked the lyrics (maybe it’s from the “six blocks away”-period, another song featuring ny/manhattan), but really think it’s odd lucinda mentioning the subway – it’s the first time, i think. she’s all about cars, roads, driveways, bridges, tracks underneath trains… and can’t really bring myself to guess what type of melody/rhythm lucinda would have imprinted to it (never heard centrell’s version to get an idea).
The ballad of soap creek saloon
BY MARGARET MOSERi like a lot one article by margaret moser about lucinda, “moon-shaped panties and the saint of white trash” (it’s available online, pretty easy to find; i think people already posted it here). she wrote a lot about television in the late-90s.
Anyway, do you think this might have been the gravel road to the Soap Creek Saloon that Lucinda had in mind when she later wrote CWOAGR?
the friend of mine that associated car wheels to a nice song quite fitting for everyone to take their clothes off would nod to that.
I found a couple of Torrent downloads of this concert on the web, but I won’t use them punchdrunklove, as they ask for your e-mail and in some cases a subscription fee.
yes, it’s a private tracker. you have to be registered to that site to open the files (they’re password protected most likely). registrations are off, so we better get ourselves a ranch*.
i enjoy writing here. it’s a great exercise. glad everybody understands most of it, and feel free to point out mistakes and stuff. otherwise they’ll keep showing up and i won’t improve over time.
* this is me cracking my first-ever funny remark in english! 🙂
July 10, 2010 at 12:51 pm #43580LWjettaParticipant@punchdrunklove wrote:
i enjoy writing here. it’s a great exercise. glad everybody understands most of it, and feel free to point out mistakes and stuff. otherwise they’ll keep showing up and i won’t improve over time
I really believe Mr. Tom Overby has found in you, punchdrunklove,the best possible liason / agent for co-ordinating a Lu South American tour.
Your writing is most enjoyable.
Please continue your research in Luology.
lwjJuly 10, 2010 at 7:09 pm #43581punchdrunkloveParticipantI really believe Mr. Tom Overby has found in you, punchdrunklove,the best possible liason / agent for co-ordinating a Lu South American tour.
Your writing is most enjoyable.
Please continue your research in Luology.
lwjit’s a friendly forum indeed. 🙂
July 11, 2010 at 10:21 pm #43582LWjettaParticipant@punchdrunklove wrote:
and how about “letters”? the one laura centrell recorded. i liked the lyrics (maybe it’s from the “six blocks away”-period, another song featuring ny/manhattan), but really think it’s odd lucinda mentioning the subway – it’s the first time, i think. she’s all about cars, roads, driveways, bridges, tracks underneath trains… and can’t really bring myself to guess what type of melody/rhythm lucinda would have imprinted to it (never heard centrell’s version to get an idea).
Here is Laura Cantrell’s acoustic version of Letters.
Recorded live @ McCabe’s Guitar Shop in Santa Monica, CA, this acoustic version of the Lucinda Williams song features Mark Spencer on guitar, Jimmy Ryan on mandolin and Jeremy Chatzky on bass.
http://www.lauracantrell.com/mp3/Letters.mp3
Enjoy the music punchdrunklove
lwjJuly 12, 2010 at 5:10 am #43583punchdrunkloveParticipantthanks, lwj. i like it.
July 26, 2010 at 6:39 pm #43584marclaffParticipantI got the two shows (1984 & 1986) on CDR, the sound is not FM.
By the way, i knew the song “that’s how i got to Memphis” by a french singer Eddy Mitchell “sur la route de Memphis” from early 70’s.July 26, 2010 at 7:39 pm #43585punchdrunkloveParticipantand… are you willing to reupload them somewhere? 🙂
March 12, 2011 at 7:48 am #43586punchdrunkloveParticipant8 months later and i decided to beg for a reup of both torrents on dimeadozen.
March 12, 2011 at 7:54 am #43587punchdrunkloveParticipantbtw, you all should listen to the austin, KUT-FM, 1981 performance.
superb versions of hard road, abandoned, sharp cutting wings, all i want (this song should be on a record, so good), i lost it, king of hearts…
the boot from 85 (KPFK-FM / los angeles) gave us i just wanted to see you sooo bad, 6 blocks away, this is not my town… and the wonderful, glorious, i-just-have-this-version lover of the hour (it should be on a record too).
you can get both online, pretty impressive before-i-was-born amazement.
March 12, 2011 at 4:39 pm #43588gratefuljoeParticipantThese are 5 star downloads on DIME:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=346550
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=346746
Lucinda Williams – Firecracker Four Disk Retrospective Compilation
If anyone is bandwith challenged let me know and I’ll hook you up and/or start a vine.
Not much of the current tour up yet unfortunately.
March 12, 2011 at 8:42 pm #43589punchdrunkloveParticipanta great soul from the netherlands reupped both torrents i asked yesterday.
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=348642
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=348650
now i got to listen to ancient, fossilized versions of concrete and barbed wire & if wishes were horses.
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