Acknowledge the Troops

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    ncrebelman
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    Lucinda,

    I was at the Greensboro show and I really love your music, you write great lyrics, but if you’re going to get political on us, the least you can do is acknowledge the troops. No matter what your opinion of the war and the current administration, the troops are over there in harms way by no choice of their own and they deserve to be acknowledged before going into an anti-war tirade. Least you forget that every American wants peace.

    That’s all I have to say about that.

    Thanks,

    Buddy

    #33750
    homosacer
    Participant

    Oh good lord.

    There is enough empty “recognition” of the troops without any critical analysis of this country’s foreign policy going on today. Questioning the war and calling for its end does a gretter service to the troops than any sentimental bullshit….

    -T

    #33751
    ripley
    Participant

    @ncrebelman wrote:

    the troops are over there in harms way by no choice of their own

    Ummm they signed up. that is a choice they made.

    #33752
    Anonymous
    Guest

    @ncrebelman wrote:

    Least you forget that every American wants peace.

    Every american except our Commander-in-Chief 😕

    #33753
    rrsj
    Participant

    I registered so I could respond to Buddy’s post about Lucinda “getting political on us” and his contention that she needed to prove her patriotism by spouting platitudes about supporting the troops. I was at the show last night in Greensboro. Lucinda made it clear that she considers her position against the war to be a patriotic position. There was nothing she said all night that could be construed as being disrespectful of the men and women fighting this war.

    Anyone coming to a Lucinda show should know that she has taken public positions on war and economics and other “political” topics. The lyrics for which Buddy professes admiration are often “political” – she did “American Dream” last night, a song that exposes the hypocrisy of our country’s most important economic myth – which is one of the things I most admire about Lucinda. I am sure she regularly hears different versions of Buddy’s criticism – the kind of criticism that chills “political” messages from too many artists – and she keeps on keeping on.

    Lucinda said at the beginning of the show that she had received a letter from someone who was there last night. The writer told her that one of her songs – I believe it was “Are You Alright” – had made him think of a friend who was killed in Vietnam. She said that the letter had a real impact on her and she had changed up the set list to respond. Among other changes, they played Stephen Stills’ “For What its Worth,” with Lucinda saying the band had never tried playing it before – those guys are so good we would have never known – and they ended with Thievery Corporation’s “Marching The Hate Machines” and then Dylan’s “Masters of War.”

    I think those of us in Greensboro saw something special last night. Lucinda said at one point that she thinks she is in the prime of her career. She then demonstrated what that means. In the middle of a grueling travel schedule, at one of the smallest venues, she did a lot more than go through the motions – she took to heart a letter from a local fan and gave him and us a heartfelt performance – with a largely political message.

    Thank God Lucinda didn’t reassure us that she really does support the troops – she understands that she doesn’t need to give credence to the falsely manipulative argument that if you oppose the war you oppose the people on the ground fighting it – instead, as her songs made clear, you oppose the policies and the politicians who send them there.

    #33754
    Rainydayman
    Participant

    I agree with rrsj. I was there last night and didn’t feel at all that Lucinda meant any disrespect to our soldiers…….and yes, we did experience something special last night……don’t forget the reciting of Ferlinghetti’s poem about “pity the nation…..”

    #33755
    homosacer
    Participant

    thanks for posting that, rrsj

    #33756
    ncrebelman
    Participant

    God bless our troops anyway! 😀

    #33757
    Lefty
    Participant

    Yes, NC Reb, God bless those men & women; keep them safe.

    Masters of War

    First Release: The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan (1963)

    Come you masters of war
    You that build all the guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build the big bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks

    You that never done nothin’
    But build to destroy
    You play with my world
    Like it’s your little toy
    You put a gun in my hand
    And you hide from my eyes
    And you turn and run farther
    When the fast bullets fly

    Like Judas of old
    You lie and deceive
    A world war can be won
    You want me to believe
    But I see through your eyes
    And I see through your brain
    Like I see through the water
    That runs down my drain

    You fasten the triggers
    For the others to fire
    Then you set back and watch
    When the death count gets higher
    You hide in your mansion
    As young people’s blood
    Flows out of their bodies
    And is buried in the mud

    You’ve thrown the worst fear
    That can ever be hurled
    Fear to bring children
    Into the world
    For threatening my baby
    Unborn and unnamed
    You ain’t worth the blood
    That runs in your veins

    How much do I know
    To talk out of turn
    You might say that I’m young
    You might say I’m unlearned
    But there’s one thing I know
    Though I’m younger than you
    Even Jesus would never
    Forgive what you do

    Let me ask you one question
    Is your money that good
    Will it buy you forgiveness
    Do you think that it could
    I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul

    And I hope that you die
    And your death’ll come soon
    I will follow your casket
    In the pale afternoon
    And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
    Down to your deathbed
    And I’ll stand o’er your grave
    ‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead

    #33758
    Tim
    Participant

    Thank you, Lefty, for posting the words to “Masters Of War”. The song is still very relevent for what’s going on today.

    #33759
    Rainydayman
    Participant

    sadly, Tim is right…….about the relevance of those words….Bob still plays that song on a fairly regular basis, by no coincidence

    #33760
    rachel8375
    Participant

    The fact that she does play that song ought to say that she’s acknowledging the troops, whether she ever once says a word about them. I remember seeing her in 2001, about 6 weeks after 9/11, and that was the first song of her encore. It sent chills up and down my spine that night as she stood onstage with just her guitar, singing that song. I remember it as the highlight of the show, and the show was damn great anyway.

    #33761
    ive lost it
    Participant

    this is so boring!

    #33762
    Lefty
    Participant

    Yep…boring and important.

    Btw, that snoozer Dylan just added 3 shows at the Chicago Theatre on Oct 27,28,29. He’s bound to play “MoW” on at least one of those nights… 8)

    #33763
    Gibson J45
    Participant

    I realize this music is VASTLY different, but that intrepid New York guitarist Leslie West just put out a new album covering Dylan songs. He teamed up with Ozzie Osborne to do Masters of War – very powerful.

    Have you ever noticed that when Lu and the band start jamming, sometimes they can get into a trance like heavy rhythm that would rival any metal band? Just one more thing that makes her so unique!

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