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  • #41383
    KJR
    Participant

    Sent LW courtesy copies of my “2 Kool” CD and this is what she had to say:

    Thank you so much for the “2 Kool 2 Be Forgotten” CD’s!
    What a great idea! Really appreciate it!
    Happy New Year!
    Peace,
    Lucinda Williams

    Nice touch that made it all worthwhile.

    #41384
    tntracy
    Participant

    Cool. Congrats!

    Tom

    #41385
    KJR
    Participant

    22-version “2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten” project nearing completion.

    Cover art may be viewed here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/44555304@N08/

    #41386
    punchdrunklove
    Participant

    if we could just change the title of the song to “2 kool 2 be 2×2-gotten” the 22-version project would be just about perfect.

    i’m not supposed to say stuff like that but it seems a consensus (well, at least among robert and me) that the live track from the providence ’99 show is the crowing jewel of this compilation.

    #41387
    punchdrunklove
    Participant

    just received the cd. great work, man. i was glad to hear the versions that tom tracy sent to robert.

    #41388
    tntracy
    Participant

    @punchdrunklove wrote:

    just received the cd. great work, man. i was glad to hear the versions that tom tracy sent to robert.

    I was more than happy to contribute to the effort! 😀

    And, what an effort it was, KJR! I received my copy this past weekend, and I was blown away by the quality & beauty of the artwork on the inserts – even the CDs themselves. Better than many commercial CDs! Congratulations, and thanks for sending me a copy!

    Tom

    #41389
    KJR
    Participant

    Guilherme and Tom:

    Glad you guys got the CDs and are enjoying them. I should have worked out the levels better on Disc 2, but what the hell.

    Thank you for your inputs!!!! Who knows, if we come across more versions, maybe there will be a Round 3.

    All the best,

    Bob

    #41390
    KJR
    Participant

    Go here for a brief lesson on how to play the guitar parts to “2 Kool.” Scroll down until you find it.

    http://www.heartwoodguitar.com/student%20resources.htm

    #41391
    KJR
    Participant

    @punchdrunklove wrote:

    if we could just change the title of the song to “2 kool 2 be 2×2-gotten” the 22-version project would be just about perfect.

    i’m not supposed to say stuff like that but it seems a consensus (well, at least among robert and me) that the live track from the providence ’99 show is the crowing jewel of this compilation.

    After listening to all these versions ad infinitum, I think I have to agree that Providence ’99 is perhaps the best of the best. Lovely floating guitar part, fine balance, good pacing. And the song was still relatively fresh.

    #41392
    punchdrunklove
    Participant

    agreed, that one tops everything, the hey hey-finale is joyful. but the ’95 version is pretty terrific as well; not only because it’s old-timey, almost ancient, but especially because of the way she introduces the book and tells the title of the song during her performance, not before. i love that, the guitar soaring over her words.

    and i have a question about the lyrics of this live version:

    “??? (cf. rosedale), mississippi, freedom village (cf. magic city) juke joint”

    i keep hearing marseille. is that right?

    #41393
    LWjetta
    Participant

    Lots of great discussions on this song in this thread and also the Junebugs vs. Hurricaines thread.
    I did a little more research on the song and found this quote from Radio Paradise.
    QUOTE”
    Posted: Apr 03, 2006 – 12:09
    pixelgato wrote: Decent track, shame about the title.It’s something that kids used to write in each other’s school yearbooks at the end of the school year.
    2 Cool
    2 Be
    4 Gotten
    Written as a math equation – that’s her reference point anyway.
    End QUOTE”

    There are 4 or 5 pages of discussion/interpretations for us to ponder.
    http://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=Music&file=songinfo&song_id=2009&start=0
    KOOL
    lwj

    #41394
    punchdrunklove
    Participant

    i once read somewhere (i think on last.fm) that “only prince could get away with a song title like that” (or something like this).

    it was nice to discover in the other thread that photo from the juke joint book that clears the matter up (http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images_911_144158_birney-imes.jpg). i’ve always defended those numbers, but since i’ve seen the picture they don’t need any defenses – it is what it is. the junebug vs. hurricane thing doesn’t matter anymore (i mean, if there’s some hidden meanings behind junebug and hurricane). the only solid thing is that photograph, the red wall. i love this song even more after that – because of all its randomness, a collection of images that features significant insight over lucinda’s creative process.

    since i’ve never seen the book, i wonder if the last part of the song (the girl and her boyfriend on a lake charles bridge) is in any way hinted at the book, or if it’s “pure” lucinda. can anyone help with this?

    #41395
    tntracy
    Participant

    @punchdrunklove wrote:


    since i’ve never seen the book, i wonder if the last part of the song (the girl and her boyfriend on a lake charles bridge) is in any way hinted at the book, or if it’s “pure” lucinda. can anyone help with this?

    I have the book, PDL – here is a link to descriptions of the images that I found in it that apparently influenced Lu. I didn’t see any shot that tied into Lake Charles or a bridge. Since the photos in the book are from juke joints in Mississippi and Lake Charles is over in SW Louisiana, I would speculate this imagery is from Lu’s personal experiences…

    Tom

    #41396
    punchdrunklove
    Participant

    Since the photos in the book are from juke joints in Mississippi and Lake Charles is over in SW Louisiana, I would speculate this imagery is from Lu’s personal experiences…

    oh, i overlooked that fact (i should open an atlas at a map of u.s., i keep underestimating the extent – and the exact location – of lucinda’s “cartography”).

    but the question remains unanswered: where this image comes from? it basically divides the song in two halves, the first like a straight, descriptive narrative, the latter a disjointed vignette, a bit out of place (mississippi / lake charles). the girl and her boyfriend on a lake charles bridge… who are them? i’m satisfied with the fact that i’ll never know for sure (or that “lu’s personal experiences” is a sensible answer in every way possible) – and i’m not this annoying and obsessively interested in those kinds of stuff, but 2 kool has such a richly detailed first half and we got ourselves this photograph hinting (just hinting) to all of its most mysterious sections – junebug vs. hurricane, why the numbers on the title et al. – that, likewise, i think i feel compelled to look for some picture for the other half. part of the last section’s appeal, to my mind, is those dialogues, lucinda is not merely a narrator to a (supposedely) external event, she incorporated what happened to her “catalogue” and is able to reproduce every word they say. her narration in the first part is, to my mind, even more “dramatized” than in the second (despite the fact that the latter is in first-person), since she seems to use the books to construct images and then, well, who knows – and this gives a creepy quality to the song. there’s so much more at stake than just a did-he-jump/did-she-jump-along thing. deep down, i think it might be something she saw someday (an eye-witness account?), hence my curiosity for a (non-existent!) photo/record of it. oh well, i’ll stop.

    yeah, i know it’s a fruitless quest, but i don’t mind.

    ***

    btw, robert and tom, i got our 23rd version (buffalo, ny / april 18, 07).

    #41397
    punchdrunklove
    Participant

    the last post kind of proved to me that i’m not able to put together a paragraph for an argumentative text, at least a non-confused one. i read again what i wrote and it’s all very strange, especially when i mention about first-person narrator (just so you know how desperate things can get, i got this expression directly from its version in portuguese – and i was lucky, i just googled it and it seems to be appropriate).

    so i’ll write a bit more about 2 kool, this time without those flights of fancy.

    i love this song since 2007, the year i first listened to lucinda (the car wheels album). for some dumb reason, the only songs that i kept listening afterwards – not frequently – were “right in time” and “2 kool”, ocasionally “car wheels” (yeah, tracks #1, #3 and #2; i think this is bound to happen sometimes, we prioritize the first couple of songs). cut to april 24, 2009 (since i have a last.fm account is easy for me to get information like that), the day when i listened to car wheels again, and wow, just wow – it blew my mind. cut to getting stuff on the internet (i know i shouldn’t mention this here, but since i did i might as well add that since april ’09 i bought on ebay both austin city limits dvds and seven of her albuns… and a poster too.)/ mix-tapes (not many, though. one of them had “essence”, “steal your love”, “hot blood”, “righteously” and “i just wanted to see you so bad” sequenced; yeah, it was about ONE thing, and no, didn’t quite work.)/ recommending lucinda to every person i know/ mentioning her on twitter on a daily basis (= recommending)/getting an answer from her on twitter (something to do with a friend of mine, “ocasional dj”, saying that if he included car wheels on one of his setlists, people would strip their clothes off while listening to it – lucinda was puzzled with “striptease” and “car wheels” going hand in hand; i swear, this was a great day)/ writing a short film screenplay in which one of the characters (a 30-year-old librarian) is named lucinda (lucinda is a pretty common first name in brazil, btw)/ searching bootlegs like crazy/ planning on seeing her live in europe in 2012/13… now i’m in that fase of beaming like crazy every time i listen to a rare bootleg or, say, to an alternative version of real love.

    people sometimes come here and tell stories about the importance of lucinda in their lives and how they became familiar with her work, and this is mine: on april 24, ’09 i simply decided to give another go to car wheels. yes, i’m a huge fan for about 14 months, and yes, i realize i’m out of line in asking for a south america tour at this stage, but this lucinda frenzy is certainly not a fleeting affair. sometimes when i come here i’m almost embarassed in writing stuff along with people that are familiar with lucinda since the 80s, 90s, 00s. it’s a great honor to be here, among comitted fans, i sense that my 14 months will become 14 years in no time. sometimes when i’m listening to, let’s say, an austin concert from 1994 (in which she performed lots of songs from car wheels) and i wonder “how come you just got to listen to her in 2009?”. the answer is quite obvious: in 94 i was a 7-year-old. so i guess i’m coming to terms with the fact that, well, before late than never.

    now with 2 kool. in 2007, i had no idea what junebug vs. hurricane meant or what the reason behind those funky numbers on the title. and two years later the only thing i know for sure is that people once wrote some inscriptions on a red wall, lucinda saw them through the eyes of a photographer and the rest is history. i think i want to be familiar with every single aspect of this song because i was already nuts about it years ago, and those 14 months of heavy-listening only made the mystery richer: i’m still unable to grasp this song. it’s not like i need to understand it, and more like i’d love to hear more stuff about it since there’s so much potencial for storytelling in it. i guess i like to hear what people in general have to say about it. that’s why i think that this project from robert (22 versions of the song) is so terrific. if anyone told me on april 23, ’09 that a french guy would be shipping a year later from paris to rio a cd with TWENTY-TWO versions of a single song, i wouldn’t believe it. and then, by listening to every single track of the compilation, you realize that lucinda gave credits to the author of the book that inspired the song every time – and you can’t help but admire how these thinks work, how masterpieces are created almost randomly and how they can bring together two admirers from different backgrounds. of course this can be said of every song, but i always wondered about lucinda’s relation with this one in particular, especially in which sense the second part is linked with the first, how the inscription on that red wall and all signs and details from those mississippi bars brought us those star-crossed lovers at that lake charles bridge.

    which is to say: i wonder but i don’t think i really want to know; there’s nothing to know really. the answer is obvious: lucinda’s personal images + lucinda’s astounding craft. it seems such a miracle that this song happened. i guess that when something strikes you as awesome you have a tendency to consider it a happy accident, a one-time wonder, and 2 kool is still the song i listen to the most. it’s almost creepy to imagine what happened to me between 2007 and now, it seems like a watershed on most respects (not only regarding lucinda, obviously), but the idea that 2 kool is still able to entice me just as much as in 2007 is more than a reason to treasure lucinda for life.

    well, i wrote too much. i’m saving everything i’ve been writing on this forum. i think it should be… let’s say heartwarming to read it all in the near future.

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