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i realize that many people in this forum have an extensive compilation of recordings from lucinda’s gigs. i think i got most of the stuff available online (this is perhaps the best link ever for a lucinda fan: http://www.ousterhout.net/mp3/lw.html – but there’s more than that), but while i have 22 versions (thanks, robert) of 2 kool 2 be 4-gotten (and, like, 15 to 20 of every song in car wheels), i got just one from my other #1 lucinda song, steal your love. i’d be delighted to hear more versions (or in most cases a single version) of the following songs:
(in all-caps are the songs i would like the most.)
from ramblin’:
SATISFIED MIND (0)
LITTLE DARLIN’ PAL OF MINE (0)
jambalaya (on the bayou) (0)happy woman blues:
HARD ROAD (1, as “bill”, from austin, ’81)
KING OF HEARTS (ditto)
lafayette (ditto)
one night stand (0)
sharp cutting wings (2/3, austin ’81, los angeles ’85, aborted version from auckland ’89)s/t:
i have plenty of everything.sweet old world:
MEMPHIS PEARL (1, kcrw los angeles ’07 – a wonderful, eerie version, btw)
sidewalks of the city (1, santa monica ’91)
PROVE MY LOVE (ditto)car wheels:
if anyone has stuff similar to austin/la zona rosa/’94 or austin/sxsw/’96…essence:
*STEAL YOUR LOVE* (1, switzerland ’07, radically different from the album version)
lonely girls (1, house of blues, ’01)
bus to baton rouge (ditto)
broken butterflies (0)world without tears:
*MINNEAPOLIS* (none)
PEOPLE TALKIN’ (2, greek theatre, la, ’09 + ??? ’03)west:
are you alright (1, sweden, ’07)
*MAMA YOU SWEET* (0)
*LEARNING HOW TO LIVE* (0)
words (1, kcrw, ’07)
west (1, sweden, ’07)
fancy funeral / everything has changed / rescue / what if (0)little honey (none of the following)
*IF WISHES WERE HORSES*
real love
rarity
jailhouse tears
plan to marry
knowingcovers
*ANGELS LAID HIM AWAY* (i know it’s unlikely, but…)
thanks a lot in advance.
First of all, thanks for the link – that’s one with which I was unfamiliar. Too bad they are in MP3 format, though, and not FLAC. Would you happen to know at what bit rate they are encoded?
Second, I just glanced briefly at what shows I have loaded in iTunes (12), and I can help you with some on your list, particularly from West & Little Honey (although not any of your capitalized ones). I also have a version of “Steal Your Love” from October, 2008 at the Wamu Theater in Madison Square Garden, NYC. At any rate, I can give you a better list tomorrow – I just got back from a show & it’s late…
Tom
P.S. I think I have more on CD-R that I haven’t bothered to rip into iTunes. Plus, I do believe everything I have, including all the stuff I currently have in iTunes, I have in FLAC format on CD-R…
thank you, tom.
oh, here you find the flac files: http://www.ousterhout.net/lossless/lwilliams.html (the mp3 files are 192 kbps.)
be sure to check out his amazing selection, emmylou harris (the wrecking ball demos!, incl. of course ‘sweet old world’), gillian welch (the revival demos!), iris dement, jackson browne, john prine, mitchell, van zandt, earle, waits…
Wow – great link. Big up to you, Punchdrunklove.
A few points/questions after listening to the two earliest bootlegs –
1. Is All I Want an original? Has it appeared elsewhere?
2. Lover of the Hour. Love chorus. Couldn’t believe verses later cropped up on Right on Time, years later.
At the risk of sounding geeky I found this interesting, a real insight into the creative process and how
nothing is thrown away but used again.
3. Pineola. 1985 bootleg has extra verses, years before it was recorded. I think it works better without these as it leaves the song more concise. What do others think?you’re welcome.
1. Is All I Want an original? Has it appeared elsewhere?
no idea, i researched about it one day out of curiousity and couldn’t find anything. i have versions of this song from 81 to 93.
2. Lover of the Hour. Love chorus. Couldn’t believe verses later cropped up on Right on Time, years later.
At the risk of sounding geeky I found this interesting, a real insight into the creative process and how
nothing is thrown away but used again.you’re right, but it was only after your remark that i connected the dots. i have just this version of this song, and i can’t barely make sense of it (my listening in english is not my forte). “i stand over the stove in the kitchen (…) watch the water boil”. can you tell me what (…) is?
i love those kinds of connections, and i got myself one that i admit as being rather flimsy. it’s the verse that “sharp cutting wings” and “still i long for your kiss” share: “nobody around can take your place” and “no one here can ever take your place”.
3. Pineola. 1985 bootleg has extra verses, years before it was recorded. I think it works better without these as it leaves the song more concise. What do others think?
i like that she changed .22 to .44 (but i wonder why she did that and what’s the “right” caliber). but i liked from the live version the repetition of the verse “i just sat on the living room couch” (cf. the original version: “i just sat there on the living room couch” & “i just sat alone in a corner chair”), the cumulative effect is powerful. but, yes, in the first moment lucinda is at her house, and in the second she is supposedly at “a friend’s house”, so i understand why the distinction was made.
and i agree with you, i don’t like much the “he was a fool to pull that trigger/ but sure was a damn good poet” finale. well, i didn’t know at first that sonny was a poet (as far as i remember the official version doesn’t mention the fact), but i’m glad she left that out. it seems to me that a song is more personal (especially one paying homage to a friend) if you leave out some details of him, like name and ocupation. “pineola” didn’t describe him, but the aftermath of what happened, and i find so touching that lucinda spends time telling that his mother “believes in the pentecost” despite the fact that lucinda herself couldn’t believe what happened. another song i admire immensely is “drunken angel”, that features a good deal of deceptively mundane details, chiefly the “duct tape shoes”, that i only got after googling blaze foley. drunken angel is quite different from pineola, is considerably more furious, it’s not a song/poem about a tragic aftermath, but one written during one of this moments, seems very imediate.
and what i find so beautiful in the “official” ending of pineola is that she changed the last verse from “i just picked up…” to “i think i must’ve picked up a handful of dust (and let it fall over his grave)”. when she repeats this, she makes it sound more than a simple conjecture, but a somewhat haunting scene/wonder. i love pineola, it’s unfortunate that my english is not up to what i’d like to say.
I wouldn’t worry about your English, your comments in reply were very clear and interesting. I particualrly enjoyed what you wrote about Pineola, and am glad you agreed with my assessment that the last part was best left out. With it on the live version I don’t think the song is as mysterious and, as you posted, as universal to the listener.
@punchdrunklove wrote:
i like that she changed .22 to .44 (but i wonder why she did that and what’s the “right” caliber).
On June 3, 1978, Frank Stanford shot himself 3 times in the heart with a .22 caliber pistol in his bedroom immediately after an argument with his wife Ginny about his infidelity. She heard the shots from the next room. She wrote an essay about it called “Death In The Cool Evening”, which is also the title of a poem by Mr. Stanford:
Death In The Cool Evening
by Frank StanfordI move
Like the deer in the forest
I see you before you
See me
We are like the moist rose
Which opens alone
When I’m dreaming
I linger by the pool of many seasons
Suddenly it is night
Time passes like the shadows
That were not
There when you lifted your head
Dreams leave their hind tracks
Something red and warm to go by
So it is the hunters of this world
Close in.At one time, I found a copy of her essay on the Internet – it’s worth reading if you get a chance…
Tom
@tntracy wrote:
At one time, I found a copy of her essay on the Internet – it’s worth reading if you get a chance…
A very interesting read by Ginny Stanford.
Here is the essay.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=11499967&blogId=55751370
lwjWow, that was powerful.
On Amazon I found a book about Blaze Foley written by his girlfriend, “Living in the Woods in a Tree: Remembering Blaze Foley”. It was a good read, and was he ever an untameable spirit!
any advice on how I can get these links to play on my mac? I tried being sneaky and saving them “as mp3” but that didn’t work….also the regular ‘rar’ or whatever doesn’t seem to open anything…such a tease!
I have a PC so I don’t know anything about MACs, homosacer, but with the RAR files, you must download all the the links to the particular selection you want, then use a program like WinRAR or 7 Zip to unzip the files. Usually, I just unzip the first RAR file and it automatically unzips the other parts. No need to unzip each one individually. You can download the VLC player that will play mp3 and FLAC files
even on MACs, I assume.a great find here: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=289002 (you have to be a registered user.)
says the uploader:
“This is a little gem in my collection that I’ve never traded widely. With this, I’ll be done with Lu fer awhile.
The two of them have their vocals down, but the band is pretty lost and can barely figure out what’s going on.
No, I don’t have the whole show–this was sourced from her archives; she did not keep the whole show.
Any confirming info on source/date of this little gem would be appreciated. The info I have is an educated guess of a friend of mine.
Hope this one really blows some people away!
Lucinda Williams/David Byrne
New York City
Venue: possibly Town Hall, NYC, February 19931. Tonight I Think I’m Gonna Go Downtown”
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then i found this link: http://books.google.com.br/books?id=rw8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Tonight+I+Think+I%27m+Gonna+Go+Downtown++lucinda+david+byrne&source=bl&ots=WvICYbePYP&sig=EQqkHL2fw3zjIAZTflRtxGYSn7o&hl=pt-BR&ei=J50tTLDNBISTuAfDzOTnAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tonight%20I%20Think%20I%27m%20Gonna%20Go%20Downtown%20%20lucinda%20david%20byrne&f=false
the song is gorgeous, and even more beautiful is lucinda saying at the end: “david byrne, my new friend. i can’t get over it. i mean, i’m such a huge fan of his. that was a real honor for me.” sweet as ever.
oh, and just a heads up: brazil is out of the world cup. “… that this world’s just not real to me.”
http://wp.clicrbs.com.br/grings/tag/margo-timmins/
margo timmins, from cowboy junkies, released her first solo album last year – a bunch of covers. lucinda’s “side of the road” is the last track – a very lovely, stripped-down version. i missed the violins.
she also covered my favorite song from richard/linda, “walkin’ on a wire”.
Pineola. 1985 bootleg has extra verses, years before it was recorded. I think it works better without these as it leaves the song more concise. What do others think?
I agree. The version she eventually recorded on Sweet Old World is as tight and flawless as any song she’s ever written; on some days I think it’s my favorite Lu song and I point it out to other people as a great example of her songwriting style. The ’85 bootleg version sounds much more like a work in progress.
1. Is All I Want an original? Has it appeared elsewhere?
no idea, i researched about it one day out of curiousity and couldn’t find anything. i have versions of this song from 81 to 93.
I’m almost positive it’s an original, because it sounds lyrically very much like a Lu song, but I have no confirmation of that. It’s interesting to hear the acoustic ’85 version contrasted with the live versions from the early ’90s; it’s almost like a different song entirely.
All I Want is easily my favorite unreleased Lu song, and that ’85 version is in my top five Lu performances of all time, for sure, even considering the low sound quality of the bootleg.
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